Comments on: While the pro-cap and taxers continue whining – let your representatives in Washington know what you think!

By: Guy Smylie

Guy Smylie — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:56:41 +0000

Cap and Trade is a ‘change as you go’ tax. Nothing will ever change the temperature of the earth other than the sun. Or does a temperature between -128 degree F to +135 degree F from a burning ball of gas 95 million miles away have little significance when the earths mean temperature changed 5 degree celcius in the last 10 years; and maybe 1 degree in the last 100 years?
The argument for “man-made” global warming is ONLY political! If you don’t believe me go ask Al Gores electric bill.

By: denature

denature — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:05:57 +0000

re: Troy Jones.
Huh? I pointed out PP misrepresented 4 studies performed by actual economists, including one in which he cited numbers that aren’t actually to be found anywhere in the study. Additionally, I pointed out that he claimed Obama through the EPA denied a permit to Big Stone II that was actually granted in June. Which of these points do you find false?

By: feasant

feasant — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:05:19 +0000

Cap and Trade is a joke. I am not against “green energy” I am against bad legislation that does not solve an issue. Why not have incentives to cut carbon output? Where are the incentives to plant trees?

If you think that China will not be burning coal you are wrong. What has made America great is, Freedom, abundant natural resources, and cheap energy! The Government is normally a hinderance not a help. People create jobs and not the Government. If we forget that, this Country is in huge trouble.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:00:32 +0000

I think Dusty Johnson, Todd Schlekeway and Dan Lederman are doing a great job addressing this issue for SD!

John Thune also!

By: Troy Jones

Troy Jones — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:07:49 +0000

Denature,

You want to have it both ways. You claim that “green endergy” will create NET jobs in another post and then you claim here that is the “economic cost of inaction against global warming.” Intellectual honesty requires one to be consistent. You seem to be unable to do so within hours.

This style permeates the justification for cap and trade. It gives me absolutaly no confidence this is nothing but a political ideology position devoid of rational thinking.

By: Jackson

Jackson — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:10:29 +0000

Then you have hard evidence to support your claims of rising costs to citizens?

By: denature

denature — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:29:43 +0000

Thus far on this topic, you’ve misrepresented conclusions from an MIT study and the CBO. You’ve also claimed the Obama administration killed the permit for Big Stone II when the permit was granted in June. Maybe you put forth a rational presentation this time.

Not so much. Like every study you’ve mentioned, the Brookings Institution explicitly states they are not doing a cost benefit analysis. They ignored the economic costs of inaction against global warming. To keep yammering about net vs. gross and leaving out the economic impacts of inaction is disingenuous. It will be more expensive to do nothing. That includes the economic impacts to farmers in South Dakota.

You also chose to ignore the Brookings Institution’s statement that “most studies suggest that
the effects on output and employment over the long
run should be modest.”

Treasury department. Sigh. Not only do you cite studies that don’t say what you claim they do. You cite supposed studies that don’t even agree with your previously touted numbers. The $1,800 per household figure is made up. It’s not in the report. It was made up by a blogger. The blogger analysis doesn’t even actually apply to the current bill. Actual treasury analysis is in reality along the lines of previous projections put out by the EIA, EPA, and CBO. What are those effects again? Right, modest. And do they take into account the economic impact of inaction? That’s right, they don’t. Actual real life media outlets that carried this fluff had to issue corrections. How about you?