Why are you writing about riding PP’s mule? No wonder you complain about pictures showing hot women.

CAheidlebergerbergerfry: Just recently, Switzerland has put a moretorium on vistors coming to their country because of its liberal governmental run death clinics.

see http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570561,00.html?test=latestnews.

Check with any socialized country where the wait on your procedure, if it happens at all is dependant upon your “net worth” to that country, i.e. too old, too sick, you’re out of luck. The most disturbing point of this health program is that Congress is exempt. If they were included, you can bet your butt that this issue would have been resolved in the negative or tabled long ago.

Please send links. Now I have to write to AP. Meow.

51 percent of voters also feel congress is too liberal according to Rasmussen compared to only 22 percent feel it’s too conservative. Liberals can complain that Republicans won’t work with Democrats but the fact is American’s are seeing it the other way according to recent polling. It’s clear American’s aren’t happy with the direction congress is taking us, the numbers back this up.

With that said both parites are to blame, they need to spend more time listening to the American people, after all we are the ones who will have to deal with whatever legislation is thrown our way.

You know what is the truth, and what is not, your parents work in the medical field. So why don’t you just spill the beans and admit, a living will is not mandatory, just that the government will pay for it if you want it.

This can all be mostly avoided by proper estate planning. Putting in writing what you would like to happen to you and your assets. If you don’t, the Government would be happy to do this for you.

Medicare is “managed care,” all by the book, check the box and move on. There is no healing arts involved by then. And so needless suffering often is inflicted. The very real fear is that stories like Lora’s will become ever more commonplace for young and old alike, and everyone in between, should government seize control of all health decisions from conception on.

John is right, this post is pathetic–and, I would add, shameful. End-of-life planning can greatly curtail the kind of heart-wrenching and and sometimes divisive decisions family members end up making in their absence. But never mind the good a measure would do if it can somehow be manipulated to portray Democrats as sinister bean counters out to kill granny in an effort to save a buck.

The Shiavo case and the health reform proposal are not the same so PP is not being hypocritical. The Shiavo case was a civil action wherein the Court determined through competent, admissible evidence and testamony as to what Terry Shiavo’s likely decision would have been. That’s the judiciary dude. The proposed legislation came from congress which proports to increase the government’s involvement into life and death issues. If you don’t think that this issue: “The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death.” will increase the government’s power over our decison-making, you’re loco.

I can see the scenario now, the “voluntary” counseling” is by a government agent who informs the family that Grandma is terminal (similar to Lora Hubbel 11:26) and that they’re options are now limited, so what do they want to do? Based upon the scenario laid out by the governmental agent and the professed knowledge and authority that she has, the family decides to terminate Grandma’s life.

The simple fact that this health care proposal is 1990 pages means that it’s doomed to fail. That is attune to lawyers needing 10 pages to recite the facts of a two page case.

Detroit: You’re whacked as usual. The republican’s got involved in this not to directly get involved in Shiavo’s life decisions, it got involved to shape policy and laws so that the end of life decisions are left with the family, your family, my family, everyone’s family. Your broad brushes over everything indicates how disturbed and mislead you continually are. Now where’s your plug…..

It does not “intrude” government into any decisions; it does require payment to the doctor should a patient request counseling. In the case of Lora, it would have paid for the Dr. to explain and discuss with the family the treatment he was prescribing.

(Vicki/Jackson/Lisa/etc…. pick a name, and stick with it. -pp)

Government intrusion and death panels? Only in Sarah Palin’s feeble mind.

“Grassley says he opposes that counseling as written in the House version of the bill, but a spokesman said the senator does not think the House provision would in fact give the government such authority in deciding when and how people die. The House bill allows patients to decide for themselves if they would like such counseling.” (read more here)

Senator Grassley has completely repudiated the claim you attempt to perpetuate. I’m sure as a responsible writer and citizen, you’ll do the same.

And to you libs talking about hypocrisy, you are just avoiding a discussion of the issue at hand.

I don’t know why anybody is surprised by this, PP. Just read Tom Daschle’s book. It’s all there. And they wanted him to be HHS Secretary.

PP, when you include quotes like these you are unequivocally diminishing the quality of the healthcare debate. There are literally dozens of legitimate arguments against the current D health care proposals. I do not personally foresee an outcome that is sustainable in the long-run or that really does something to improve quality of care/coverage. Use those arguments. Get a little wonky on us from time to time. But do not use false scare tactics. Assume your readership is above them, even if they aren’t always.

You can do better. This post is pathetic.

Also, Sen. Grassley is not only lying to his constituents in that quote, but he’s fearmongering. “Pull the plug on grandma”? How did that guy get to be a Senator?

From Wikipedia….

The Terri Schiavo case was a seven-year long legal effort by Michael Schiavo to have his wife, Terri Schiavo — diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state (PVS) for several years — disconnected from life support.

As early as 1993, Michael, as Terri’s guardian, had entered a do not resuscitate order for her but was convinced by the nursing home staff to have it rescinded; in 1998 he petitioned the Sixth Circuit Court of Florida (Pinellas County) to remove her feeding tube under Florida Statutes Section 765.401(3).[2]

He was opposed by Terri’s parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, who argued that Terri was conscious. Michael later transferred his authority over the matter to the court, which determined that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.

That was not an end of life decision, but rather a feeding decision. She breathed and responded to stimulus on her own. She wasn’t brain dead, but cognitively impaired. There was nothing to pull the plug on, except nutrition.

The case brought up a lot of questions about how we as a society treat the disabled and brain injured.

Learn2Discern – Terri Schiavo Remembered – The best bloopers are here

Hypocrites.