Will South Dakota now be in the immigration enforcement business?
There’s a bill in this session (HB 1121) that makes it a state offense for employers to employ illegal aliens:
HOUSE BILL NO. 1121
Introduced by: Representatives Hackl, DeVries, Elliott, and Novstrup (Al) and Senators Olson (Ed), Albers, Gant, and Hanson (Gary)
FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to prohibit the employment of illegal aliens and to provide a penalty therefor.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. No person may knowingly employ any illegal alien. Any violation of this section is a criminal offense but is punishable only by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars for each offense.
Track the bill’s progress here. This one could be kind of interesting, as it leads me to assume that local authorities – those closest to the ground – would have a big hammer in investigating and enforcing illegal immigration and undocumented workers.
If the federal government is unable or unwilling to deal with the problem, as usual, it falls to the states. If I’d want anything else in the bill, it might be some more teeth. But it’s a start – a good start.
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1. Please tell me what the problem is agian, and why it is a bigger problem now that it was three years ago in a non-election year. It’s a wedge issue. Like gay marriage, it has more to do with politics than on-the-ground reality. How many jobs are illegal immigrants taking from South Dakotans who want them?
Nick, have you been hiring those damn Ay-rabs again? If so, it’s gonna cost you $5,000 a head, my friend. So I hope they’re workin’ real cheap.
2. It’s a bigger problem now because nobody had the guts to do anything about it. And it’s not about who will do jobs that SDDakotans don’t want to do. It’s about people who are here illegally and draining our resources, and about employers who enable them. Go to the source. Stop it now. (By the way, BF, you love to bait people on this subject, and I’m not going to engage you. I feel very strongly about this, and I’m not going to debate you. even if you play the race card or the hate card. Talk to yourself if you want to. Or talk to anybody else who posts on this comment. I’ve said my last word, you politically correct bleeding heart.
3. Good, then be the first to give yourself a wedgie. I thought debate on these blogs was what the exercise was all about. If you’ve already made up your mind, and don’t want further converstation, why write anything?
The problem with this bill is its moderate extremist and liberal sponsors who fall flat when it comes to putting real teeth in the penalties. I say make it no less than a felony and a mandatory jail term of 20 years without the chance of parole. That might get their attention.
I say send the illegals back but make sure you start by severely punishing the people who lure illegals here to undermine our economy and the workers. If not we will never make any headway on this fight.
6. I don’t recall saying anything about the code of “ethincs.” (…is that ethics, or ethnics? Either way, please refresh my memory. Thanks.)
Do you mean my comment on the changes in the aggrivated incest law?
If so, something smells funny about that one, just as it does this one. Let’s discuss it. I’m just sayin’
5. What a crock!
Put someone in jail for 20 years just for being a free market capitalist?
Meanwhile, you and yours are all about letting the big corps ship all the good paying jobs overseas and exploiting workers there for pennies on the dollar, and mortgaging the farm to help them do it?
Hey, as long as they don’t try to become “Mare-kuns” like us.
Coot you should have your butt kicked.
Where are my Doc Martins?
9. What a SPIN and a STRETCH. And hey, if the illegals would make an effort to become “Mare-kuns” instead of leeching off of this country, this discussion would be moot.
And another thing…maybe the people on this blog can enlighten me. Who among the GOP Presidential candidates takes the hardest line against illegals? I can’t figure it out…they are sounding a bit wishy-washy to me. When Tancredo endorsed Romney, I thought he was the one, but I am not so sure after watching a couple of debates.
10. So you deny we are exporting American jobs overseas and that corporate executives are making over the top salaries by finding ways to cut labor costs to the bone regardless of how much the people who do the work have to suffer?
If you don’t get that, you don’t get what it is to be a good capitalist free-market “Mare-kun” and should thus feel the weight of my steel toed, size 13, Doc Martin workboots against your ignorant backside for two reasons.
1) you have no real empathy for the working class anywhere in the world including your own country.
and
2) you have no real understanding of the capitalist system you claim to support.
It is only a wedge issue if somebody disagrees with the idea.
Let’s hear it from the illegal aliens and their employers.
For all the Republican griping about “unfunded federal mandates”, the biggest one is leaving the porous border poring in illegal aliens demanding school in their language, emergency hospital care, etc. etc. etc. All so some cheapskate rich tourism employer or corporate meat packer, factory farm, or factory dairy can screw a few extra dollars out of society.
The diversity we get from South America and Mexico is indicated in a Mitchell Daily Republic story today. “Latin-American-style” kidnappings, ransom, and murder.
Let’s hear it for the new diversity year. Liberals who think building a new Democratic party out of legalized illegal aliens are instead planning the suicide of the Democratic Party.
13. Not sure why you think Democrats will be hurt by this issue. I never understood why President Bush (and other Republicans like McCain) pushed that travesty of an immigration bill. If you take the “humanitarian” factor of out it, and look at it from a purely political standpoint, Democrats are going to be the beneficiaries of these new voters (assuming they get legal and are able to vote, which I will admit is a big assumption). Which is why, by the way, the libs are screaming about IDs for voting (the Indiana case in the Supreme Court, for instance). They will be the beneficiaries of the fraud that could result if some sort of plan is not instituted. It’s interesting that the libs and Dems scream the loudest about stolen elections, but when a real path to fraud is possible, they don’t want to stop it.
10, 14, etc.
What would be the fraud if a whole new class of Ameriacans entered the voting populace and broke the long standing juggernut of the status quo? It has happened before, many times, and will happen many times again. The only question you must ask yourself is if you are ok with that. And maybe, if not, why not?
17. Oh, please. You know damn well what the meaning of my comnents was. There is no fraud if a “whole new class of Americans” — the operative word being AMERICANS — are who they say they are. If these new voters are LEGAL and are able to have an effect as part of the electorate, great. So yeah, hate to disappoint you, but I’m OK with that. That’s what elections are about, and it’s what our LEGAL immigrant ancestors (including mine) did. But today’s illegals are really good at masquerading (like they do when they steal Social Security numbers). That’s what I am referring to in regard to potential fraud. And it could be rampant.
Back to PP’s post, I’m all for going after employers who hire illegals, and I’m a (OMG!!! GASP) capitalist.
Hey BF, you write your own paycheck and those of your employees. If you could get away with it, would you hire somebody who is here illegally and has no intention of getting legal? Would you even ask? I’ll bet you wouldn’t. Ask, that is.
No. we wouldn’t hire them directly.
But if they wanted to work with us, they could
freelance from their country of origin.
Let’s face it, we need to work with the smartest people we can find.
Does that answer your question?
Because, or the most part,
that’s what’s going on.
BF
“But if they wanted to work with us, they could
freelance from their country of origin..Let’s face it, we need to work with the smartest people we can find.”
Fair enough…but then why did you rant against American corporations that outsource jobs overseas? I’m not wild about that idea myself, but hey, maybe they are looking for the smartest people they can find?
I’m with you, 22. Just pay them well. And give the money to the worker, not to the one who figures out how how to intimidate the worker int devaluing the worth of his/her skills.
Management makes way too much money while the workers get hozed. I’m just sayin’
OK. But I think you and others (like John Edwards) are beating up on boogeyman management too much and painting with too broad a brush. What is too much money? Got a specific number in mind? Maybe they earned it. You bet I’m jealous 
when there are reports of executives getting zillions of buckos. But in most cases, those astronomical salaries/bonuses/perks don’t happen in a vacuum — a board of directors determines that. And anybody in his right mind would make the best deal possible. I don’t know what the answer is, but I can’t begrudge anybody who is wildly weathy (including those mean management types and ambulance chasers like John Edwards ), unless that success was attained illegally.
24. That’s just the point, “Question”…
God, I wish people would use their real names around her.e Because, after all, on a topic like this, what could possibly be the harm?
Who is that person making the best deal for? His company (which includes his employees and his country) or his company, which includes only the stockholders, American or not, and patriotic or not.
When you buy a gallon of gas, for prices higher than those sold last week, and the main benificiary is the uncle of Saddam Hussein, do you get sad because you are financing the war, or happy because your stock portfolio just ticked up a notch?
Again, I’m just sayin’.
26. “God, I wish people would use their real names around here.”
Can’t, because I don’t write my own paycheck.
Anyway, I see what you mean. There are a lot of aspects to this, but it can be carried to all sorts of extremes. For instance, there are those who trash Sanford’s philanthropy because they believe Sanford’s zillions are ill-gotten. I don’t, because no one was forced to sign up for credit cards. As for my measly (and I do mean measly) little stock portfolio, I asked my broker not to invest in companies that have anything to do with cigarettes, booze or guns, which I know sounds strange for somebody like me (a capitalist Republican…but one who is not a gun nut like many SDakotans ). But if I could afford a decent investment in an oil company (not all of them have ties to terrorists), you bet I would.
Like I said, I don’t know what the answer is. Everybody’s got a different one, depending on their philosophy or station in life.
27. So there we are, Thanks for your candor, my friend. It is most refreshing, indeed. Now, what to do?
I wish I knew, BF.
One more thing before my fellow conservatives on this blog go nuts about the cigarettes and booze and guns comment…:-)…I don’t advocate extra taxes and stuff on these industries, and certainly don’t want 2nd Amendment rignts to be infringed upon. I just don’t want my money involved in their industries (although it is such a piddling amount, they ain’t gonna miss it ).
And here I thought Republican sucked at the teat of Businesses and bend over backwards to make things as easy for businesses as possible to make a buck.
An anti-business Republican is an oxymoron.
Republicans also bury their heads in the sand, talking about border security but not saying a word about how to help immigrants on the path to legalization.
I gotta laugh when Republicans want the Latino/Hispanic vote while at the same time wanting to boot all of them out of the country.
The bill is weak!
Like most of the comments on this board it deals with employment. What about addressing education, welfare, healthcare, criminal/civil aspects and other criminal immigrant related burdens to our nation?
Make any person/entity harboring or known to enhance residential establishment or use of tax payer funded services for criminal immigrants also pay for their deportation and related unpaid bills or fines.
As for the criminal immigrant, make sure in every way possible (s)he will not be granted citizenship without first repaying all debts incurred from prior trespasses in addition to a waiting period.
The US government must also send a bill to country of origin of criminal immigrants.
Maintain families, send so-called anchor babies home with parents.
These people are criminal immigrants having broken the laws that pertain to legal entry into this country. If our immigration laws don’t modify their behavior then what other laws will they willfully break?
31. Thanks for that tolerant insight, Patti…your typical tunnel-vision judgments about groups of people (the kind of behavior you get all indignant about when people sterotype the gay community). And guess what? I gotta laugh too when the GOP wants the Hispanic vote, because they won’t get it, even if the GOP handed illegals amnesty on a silver platter. And if illegals really wanted “a path to legalization,” they would already be trying to walk down that road, rather than sneaking across our borders in the dead of night.
“You start by severely punishing the people who lure illegals here to undermine our economy and the workers” – Old Coot
+1 to Old Coot.
If the incentive to hire ILLEGAL immigrants is removed, many if not most of them will choose to “self-deport”.
At one point, I and many others that were born and raised here did the “jobs that Americans won’t do” (NOW). In my younger years I worked in fast food, was a janitor, humped furniture as a day laborer, de-tassled corn, etc. I thought that was a part of moving (and growing) up! I’ve worked in factories, farms, military service and sales at one point or another and I feel like that’s a normal way to reach out for the “American Dream”. I was the 1st of my family’s “boomer generation” to actually finish college!
Since when did an honest days work for an honest days wage become a job that Americans won’t do? When did the incentive to work get nullified?
I kept working on getting college credits throughout my working career and eventually got my degrees (Associate & Bachelors) over a number of years. Eventually, I moved up to a position where I made 70K+.
Granted there are sweatshops, near slave quarter housing and wages for illegal immigrants. However, if we criminalize the hiring of illegals and severely punish the employers, we not only reduce the incentive to hire them but we also end the exploitation of them!
Don’t punish honest & legal workers, but punish to the max those that hire illigeal workers and those that commit felonies by using fake IDs!
Anonymous,
#33. Maybe I’m just learning from Republicans when they make sweeping judgements on liberals and Democrats.
34 – “Since when did an honest days work for an honest days wage become a job that Americans won’t do? When did the incentive to work get nullified?”
When Mexicans will do it for less. We’ve lots of “them”, right here in River City, and SW Minn. Who hires them, in my experience? Farmers, many of whome vote R, giggle about corn prices, then kindly accept whatever federal money they can soak while tilling ditch to ditch and draining any natural buffer in sight.
Yes, there are good stewards, as we would hope.
But for some, entitlements aren’t enough, and if Pedro will get up at dawn and see after those chickens, who cares if Nana needs a few grand in county aid to the indigent.
36. Don’t blame Pedro.
He’s just trying to feed his family and send his kids to school.
Just like the farmer who hired him.
36
That’s exactly why we need to punish to the max those that hire illegal workers!
The way many illegal immigrants are treated is, in too many cases, about as close to slavery as we’ll seen in our lifetime. That’s why prosecuting the employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants is a vital part of the solution.
When the employers start doing some serious prison time, the rest of them will take notice.
38. And so, William, how many people are we going to put in jail in South Dakota on this one again? Who are these big, bad slavemasters who are screwing up or state and aught to rot in prison for it? The only thing serious about this idea is the serious lunacy of it, at least as far as South Dakota is concerned. Hell, it took the equivalent of a group barium enema for our legislature to agree to raise the minimum wage.
#31 “I gotta laugh when Republicans want the Latino/Hispanic vote while at the same time wanting to boot all of them out of the country.”
Do you think that it is fair to assume all “Latino/Hispanc” voters are illegal immmingrants! Besides being more than a shade over the top, it will come as a real suprise to my two hispanic aunts that not only are Americans (one Demo, one GOP by the way), but both of their families were in America decades before South Dakota was a state. This is not a discussion about a particular ethnic group. It should be a discussion about whether and how, you make the law both mean something and operate on an equal footing for all who seek to emigrate to America (think about fairness for those that play by the rules and wait)
41. Of course that’s what the debate “should be” Lee, and good for you for saying so. Unfortunately, oftentimes, that’s not what it IS about. I have just two ideas to explore with you on this given your post above:
1. What do you think about Delores Huerta’s statement tat “we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us.”
and
2. You didn’t have to wait in line to become an American, and neither did I. If you are here, you are as fee as a human being can be on our planet. Do you believe in that idea or not?
(I know, it’s a trick question… sorry… even so…)
42.
Corrections:
“that”, not “tat”
and
“you are as FREE as a human being can be on our planet.”
Man, someday I hope I can learn to type as well as I seem to think I can without looking…
Flemming.
Stop being the grammar nazi. Makes me want to just buy your lunch at Burger King and show you the way.
Bill – I didn’t see where Doris’s comment appeared, so that’s a little hard to comment on – is it an indigenent people’s perspective or is it a localized reference to where geo-political boundaries are? If it is the first, and we are going to re-write history and debate the whole conquered peoples thing, then you and I, having Catholic birthrights, need to get our piece of the old Holy Roman Empire returned to us. If it is a localized boundary issue (which it well could be in the southeastern US for example) I don’t think it has much to do with the debate.
On the second point, it is true that you and I, and generations born into every planet on the earth, accepted as a birthright the citizenship of the country or tribal environment they were born into. But that doesn’t change the debate about a process and capacity issues, as we deal with the gravity flow of people from want to prosperity across the globe. The better argument would be the ease with which our great-grandparents entered this country, but it doesn’t change that there are limits to what our society can absorb, and we ignore them at our peril.
This shouldn’t be a debate about skin color or dialect. I am pretty confident that GrossFater Schoenbeck spoke very poor english when he emigrated here with the German’s from Russia. In the 1880s the country had a great need for our people to settle a vaste territory (I undertand that Bruce may not agree), and there are some obvious economic needs being met by immigrants today. We can’t ignore the economic needs we as a people’s have demanded – but they can’t give way to ignoring the rule of law. Anarchy is not a functioning solution.
PS I am working/trapped in a hotel room out of state – so you are the only entertainment besides irongin my shirt, and secondly — go Packers — stomp the Patriots (after the Eli speed bump)
46. Good answers, Lee. I’m happy to have provided at least some distraction from ironing your shirt. I can think of a lot of things I’d rather do than iron, one of them being stabbing myself in the leg a few times with an ice pick. Have a safe trip home.
Whether this bill has enough teeth in it or not, I do not know. However, most of us can agree that immigrants in this country illegally should not be here. Most of us only want people who are here legally hired in this country and in this case this state. If I had to pay a fine of $5,000/offense and have a criminal record to boot, I would think twice about hiring people who are here illegally. A law similar to this is being done in Arizona and from what I have read, people are self-deporting. That law is more stringent than this one is. I do not see putting people in jail for this as a solution, but repeated offenses could be a reason to consider it.
48. And that’s my pint, duggerSD, how much of this is really going on in SD and how much is wedge issue politics?
A poem by Emma Lazarus is graven on a tablet
within the pedestal on which the statue stands.
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
50.
That’s the dream (engraved on the Statue of Liberty).
So does South Dakota want to awaken from it now?
Why?
Is there place left to dream any more?
Bill, at the risk of picking on you for spelling, I assume you mean point? I was under the impression you did not use a pint.
Is illegal immigration a problem in SD? I do not necessarily know, but if not, what is wrong with a law establishing a penalty? As for that great poem, where does it say for people to come here illegally? As I recall, that is one of the first things immigrants would see as the approached New York. After seeing that, they had to go to Ellis Island and get processed. Not everybody was allowed to come in, but that is a different story. One of the problems with using poetry to make your point is that poems by their nature tend to have meanings that are not necessarily the actual practice.
52. By all means pick on me for spelling, duggerSD. I’m terrible at it.
And I point to the poem to engage the spirit which I think often gets lost in this debate.
Poems are the reasons we have laws, not vice versa. I’m just hoping we don’t forget that. We would surely suffer for it.
Bill, we have laws because someone perceives a need to add or subtract something. We have poems to confuse high school and college students.
There have been immigration laws for a very long time. I do not believe anybody on this blog advocating doing something like the law here wants to do away with immigration. They only want to have laws enforced. This is something our federal government is not doing and states are taking upon themselves to do. As for the dream, the dream and the means to achieve that dream exists in this country.
54. Yeah, me to, duggerSD. But why does SD have to do it just now? Just asking.
Anyway if you are the dugger that I think you are, I have been giving you short shrift, and for that I apologize. The “Doug” that I’m thinking of has an overwhelming capacity for compassion. Is that you, man?
bf 49, it recently happened in sioux falls, with the owners of a mexican restaurant. but the owners were caught and fined, heavily. (the maximum penalty was quite a few years in jail.) and the illegal workers were deported.
that’s why i’m confused as to why we need new laws. i’m not as up to speed on this issue as i should, but wouldn’t it be sufficient if we just enforced the laws we had now.
My point exactly. Why do we need laws that confuse the issue with laws we already have?
There’s only one answer of course.
Politics.
54, DuggerSD, only one correction:
“We have poems to confuse high school and college students.”
Should instead read, perhaps:
“We have poems to inspire high school and college students.”
bf, maybe. maybe not. it could be that in our state there is a problem of enforcing current immigration laws. i don’t know. but from what i’ve seen, the feds have done a decent job, recently.
Obviously it has been a while since you were in high school or college. Most of the poetry they HAVE to read does little to inspire. Just confuse.
As for whether I am compassionate, I think you know who I am . Compassion has nothing to do with this issue. The rule of law does. As for why now, why not? This does nothing more than add a penalty for breaking the law.
60. I’m hoping I know who you are. And if I am right, you are one of my favorite people on the planet.
And yes, it’s too bad nobody knows how to teach people to read poems anymore.
Because compassion has everything to do with every issue, really. (If you think about it.)
60. Reality check for DuggerSD. Do you still enjoy listening
to Vivaldi on your car stereo? If so, then I’m pretty sure I know who you are. There are very few like you, sad to say.
Vivaldi??????? Is that Italian for Neil Diamond? I do not believe you will list me under your favorite people. Go to Mt. Blogmore a little later. I posted there under Thune. Sorry about your compassion thing. If you believe that telling people not to come here illegally because there will not be any jobs for you is compassionate, then we are on the same page.
64. And yeah, you’re one of my favorite blog people, but you don’t hold a candle to the Vivaldi guy. Nobody does.
You should check out Vivaldi, BTW. They say it makes you smart — listening to stuff like that. All I know for sure is that it makes you calm.
For BF:
This is more my style. More relaxing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ln5shwBEHc
70. DuggerSD, are you old enough or South Dakota enough to remember when Neil Diamond played at USD Vermillion circa 1970. And were you there?
I was.
Cherry Cheery was a fave of mine back then. Cherry Cherry, Holly Holy, Red Red Wine, Song Sung Blue.
I tell ya, what a poet!
He gets stuck on one word and says with it huh?
Kinda like Yummy Yummy, Sugar Sugar, Iko Iko if you think about it.
No, I am a kid compared to you. In 1970, I was still in junior high school, I think–I don’t want to do the math. I have seen him in concert 3 times–twice in Minneapolis and once in Omaha. Funny you should mention Song Sung Blue. I actually had the honor of getting up and singing SSB with Neil Diamond. What a thrill. I will never forget it. It was about half-way through his concert and he got to that song. Then he says “you all know the words to this. Stand up and SING ALONG!” So 10,000 fans and I stood up and sang Song Sung Blue with Neil Diamond. BTW, the last time I saw him back in ‘01, I had to listen with my heart and not my ears. His voice cannot do it anymore. But when he did actually sing, man you could hear the ghost of the old voice. Sorry about reminicing–reminincing–um remembering on this blog. Ahhhh, memories!
I think the topic is about dead.
Hey, Neil Diamond is great, duggerSD. No question. And I’m glad you dig him. Ok?
That is the only song BS sounded decent. This song is great in his concerts. I think the woman he sings it with is married to a member of the band. They sound great together. Oh, and I don’t “dig”. You are REALLY sounding old.
75. Hey, I AM old. So what?
BS rocked Neil in the cradle on that take and I think it was nice of her to do it.
She sings circles around your scrawny little fake folk-singer jerk-off and always did.
Neil’s main talent was stuffing a big wad of toilet paler down his pants and making all the young chicksas look at it. (Apparently you looked at it too, Barnes.)
Anyway, he couldn’t sing his way out of a paper bag. (Good writer, horrible singer.)
p.s. “dig” and “cool” never go out of style unless you are a little white bread ignorant mofo, which you are starting to sound like, the more I have to read to your candy-ass writing.
Sorry I offended you. BS is BS and she is full of it. I guess the fact that his concerts are some of the biggest sellers have nothing to do with his talent for singing. I never noticed the wad of tp you mentioned. I guess you looked for your own reasons, that is none of my business. Talk about candy-ass writing. I only try to humor you. You make your idiocy show more and more. If you don’t like my writing don’t respond. BTW, cool has never gone out of style, but the only time I hear dig is when they are putting someone in the ground, which is probably the next time it will be used in reference to you. I won’t drop to your level which would have to reach up to scratch a snake’s belly. Remember, it takes to to conversate (yes, I know it is not a real word).
Give me a break, duggerSD.
Neil Diamond is basically a pedophile. You should have seen how he acted at USD among the co-eds when he thought no one was watching. And now he’s just admitted that his his “Sweet Caroline” was a fantasy about the President’s (JFK’s) pre-teen daughter.
Sometimes it pays to be old, kid.
Grow up.
Bill Sibson, I have grown up, however you seem to have regressed. I hear that happens to old people. Last I checked, co-eds are 18+. But that has nothing to do with the situation. I cannot help it you do not like him. I really don’t care. Frankly your lack of taste shows. I find it funny that when you finally decide you cannot argue logically, you decide to go to the gutter. You are so busy trying to show how cute you are you end up showing how stupid you are. I hope you do not break your head when you sit down. Maybe you just need your diaper changed cause I think you seem to be full of yourself.
79. Ok. I have lack of taste because I think Neil Diamond is a half baked, corporate sellout.
And because I think Vivaldi, Dr. John Jeff Healy and a host of others are real musicians as opposed to your lip syncing moron who chases and harasses pre-teen women.
And because I think GWB was the worst president to ever walk the planet and you don’t.
And because I am 57 years old and you are younger than that.
And because I know what art and music are, and and have known it all my life and you haven’t.
Screw you, Barnes.
I’m just sayin’.
81. There you go, then dugger, off into the icky goo of you, you, you and your simpleminded opinion in the face of all the culture and intelligence that stands before you.
The arrogance of immaturity and the corresponding, unrelenting stubbornness.
No wonder you are a GWB fan.
How would you possibly be otherwise?
Can you spell bite me, man?
Boy, do you have a thin skin. You are nothing more than a bully and when you are unable to hold a reasonable discussion you go pithy. If you want to see immaturity and unrelenting stubbornness, look at your own post. As for biting you, you are the only person I know whose blood would kill the snake if it bit you. You must be a really sad person if this is the best you can do. Here, maybe this will make you happier
http://youtube.com/watch?v=05PBA_F23hg&feature=related
Get over yourself. Other than that, did you say something?
This is good. We have to do anything possible to take care of this problem.