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		<title>By: lexrex</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21788</link>
		<dc:creator>lexrex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pp, in re sb 154, is there taxpayer dollars involved?  if so, then it is nanny-statism, even if it is voluntary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pp, in re sb 154, is there taxpayer dollars involved?  if so, then it is nanny-statism, even if it is voluntary.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21684</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Chet Jones and Joel Rosenthall have a lot in common.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21609</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, PP.  Would banning gay marriage count as a nanny-state issue?  I believe it fits your qualification of &quot;It’s government saying that you shouldn’t or you can’t, just because those who have been elected to office think it’s in your best interest.&quot;

Some friends of mine would definately say it infringes on their life, liberty, and the pursuit of our happiness.

Though I think that issue is trickier since most of the bans have come from citizen initiatives.  Even so, I think it might fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, PP.  Would banning gay marriage count as a nanny-state issue?  I believe it fits your qualification of &#8220;It’s government saying that you shouldn’t or you can’t, just because those who have been elected to office think it’s in your best interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some friends of mine would definately say it infringes on their life, liberty, and the pursuit of our happiness.</p>
<p>Though I think that issue is trickier since most of the bans have come from citizen initiatives.  Even so, I think it might fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21596</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15. Have a question for you lefties. Why are the liberal blogs all over the Guv&#039;s cuts in the SDHP? You guys are the first to whine when the SDHP does those searches that lead to pot busts, and the first to scream about infringement on civil liberties, etc. So now you are on the HP bandwagon? Sounds to me like you support &#039;em when it&#039;s politically expedient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15. Have a question for you lefties. Why are the liberal blogs all over the Guv&#8217;s cuts in the SDHP? You guys are the first to whine when the SDHP does those searches that lead to pot busts, and the first to scream about infringement on civil liberties, etc. So now you are on the HP bandwagon? Sounds to me like you support &#8216;em when it&#8217;s politically expedient.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Epp @ SD Watch</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21561</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Epp @ SD Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NANNY STATE!  NANNY STATE!  NANNIES UNDER THE BED!  NANNY STATE! COMMUNIST, FLOURIDE SUPPORTING, NANNY STATERS EVERYWHERE!  NANNY STATE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NANNY STATE!  NANNY STATE!  NANNIES UNDER THE BED!  NANNY STATE! COMMUNIST, FLOURIDE SUPPORTING, NANNY STATERS EVERYWHERE!  NANNY STATE!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stan will be the definer of nanny statism, from his house high over rushmore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stan will be the definer of nanny statism, from his house high over rushmore</p>
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		<title>By: Katie T.</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21550</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Fleming&#039;s posting of the differences between liberal and conservative is very enlightening.  Thanks.  

As to its application to the abortion question however, we here in central SD (not east river, not west river !) point to the fiasco caused by the legislature a couple of years ago.  The pols - many Republican, some Democrat - way over reached and the voters quickly reacted and corrected the misguided swerve into the ditch.  

It just proves the point made by Socrates more than 2000 years ago – most politicians can&#039;t be leaders; they are inherently followers, trying to discern and keep up with the whims, quirks and momentary impulses of a slim group of noisy voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Fleming&#8217;s posting of the differences between liberal and conservative is very enlightening.  Thanks.  </p>
<p>As to its application to the abortion question however, we here in central SD (not east river, not west river !) point to the fiasco caused by the legislature a couple of years ago.  The pols &#8211; many Republican, some Democrat &#8211; way over reached and the voters quickly reacted and corrected the misguided swerve into the ditch.  </p>
<p>It just proves the point made by Socrates more than 2000 years ago – most politicians can&#8217;t be leaders; they are inherently followers, trying to discern and keep up with the whims, quirks and momentary impulses of a slim group of noisy voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21538</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chet Jones is a (&lt;em&gt;unflattering term I have to redact -pp&lt;/em&gt;) and huge (&lt;em&gt;terminology for an orifice which I&#039;m redacting - pp&lt;/em&gt;)!  I wish that guy would disappear off the face of the earth.  He is a waste of human flesh.

&lt;em&gt;Anonymous, I don&#039;t have any basis to agree or disagree with you, but if you&#039;re going to accuse Chet of being the first thing I redacted, you need to put your name to it and cite examples, please.&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chet Jones is a (<em>unflattering term I have to redact -pp</em>) and huge (<em>terminology for an orifice which I&#8217;m redacting &#8211; pp</em>)!  I wish that guy would disappear off the face of the earth.  He is a waste of human flesh.</p>
<p><em>Anonymous, I don&#8217;t have any basis to agree or disagree with you, but if you&#8217;re going to accuse Chet of being the first thing I redacted, you need to put your name to it and cite examples, please.</em></p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, my friend, and I agree completely your definition of a &quot;nanny&quot; law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, my friend, and I agree completely your definition of a &#8220;nanny&#8221; law.</p>
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		<title>By: bill fleming</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21532</link>
		<dc:creator>bill fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the relevant info, guys.

Excerpt from above link:

&quot;Lakoff argues that the differences in opinions between liberals and conservatives follow from the fact that they subscribe with different strength to two different metaphors about the relationship of the state to its citizens. Both, he claims, see governance through metaphors of the family. Conservatives would subscribe more strongly and more often to a model that he calls the &quot;strict father model&quot; and has a family structured around a strong, dominant &quot;father&quot; (government), and assumes that the &quot;children&quot; (citizens) need to be disciplined to be made into responsible &quot;adults&quot; (financially and morally responsible beings). However, the &quot;children&quot; are &quot;adults&quot;, and so the &quot;father&quot; should not interfere with their lives: the government should stay out of the business of those in society who have proved their responsibility. In contrast, Lakoff argues that liberals place more support in a model of the family, which he calls the &quot;nurturant parent model&quot;, based on &quot;nurturant values&quot;, where both &quot;mothers&quot; and &quot;fathers&quot; work to keep the essentially good &quot;children&quot; away from &quot;corrupting influences&quot; (pollution, social injustice, poverty, etc.). Lakoff says that most people have a blend of both metaphors applied at different times, and that political speech works primarily by invoking these metaphors and urging the subscription of one over the other.[3]&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the relevant info, guys.</p>
<p>Excerpt from above link:</p>
<p>&#8220;Lakoff argues that the differences in opinions between liberals and conservatives follow from the fact that they subscribe with different strength to two different metaphors about the relationship of the state to its citizens. Both, he claims, see governance through metaphors of the family. Conservatives would subscribe more strongly and more often to a model that he calls the &#8220;strict father model&#8221; and has a family structured around a strong, dominant &#8220;father&#8221; (government), and assumes that the &#8220;children&#8221; (citizens) need to be disciplined to be made into responsible &#8220;adults&#8221; (financially and morally responsible beings). However, the &#8220;children&#8221; are &#8220;adults&#8221;, and so the &#8220;father&#8221; should not interfere with their lives: the government should stay out of the business of those in society who have proved their responsibility. In contrast, Lakoff argues that liberals place more support in a model of the family, which he calls the &#8220;nurturant parent model&#8221;, based on &#8220;nurturant values&#8221;, where both &#8220;mothers&#8221; and &#8220;fathers&#8221; work to keep the essentially good &#8220;children&#8221; away from &#8220;corrupting influences&#8221; (pollution, social injustice, poverty, etc.). Lakoff says that most people have a blend of both metaphors applied at different times, and that political speech works primarily by invoking these metaphors and urging the subscription of one over the other.[3]&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Brother, Nanny its is all the same thing.  Big Government infringement on individual rights.

We need a Bill introduced to change SD to one of the intelligent states where the legislature meets every other year.  It would slow the gradual loss of all individual rights by 50%.

How many issues we are dealing with this year couldn&#039;t wait until 2009 to be dealt with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Brother, Nanny its is all the same thing.  Big Government infringement on individual rights.</p>
<p>We need a Bill introduced to change SD to one of the intelligent states where the legislature meets every other year.  It would slow the gradual loss of all individual rights by 50%.</p>
<p>How many issues we are dealing with this year couldn&#8217;t wait until 2009 to be dealt with?</p>
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		<title>By: duggersd</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21527</link>
		<dc:creator>duggersd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought big brother was already taken for meaning Big Brother is watching you.  Hardly the types of things PP brings up in his nanny state essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought big brother was already taken for meaning Big Brother is watching you.  Hardly the types of things PP brings up in his nanny state essay.</p>
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		<title>By: bill fleming</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21526</link>
		<dc:creator>bill fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6. Right. Carefully chosen metaphors. Don&#039;t say &quot;nanny&quot; when you mean &quot;big brother.&quot; That&#039;s all I&#039;m sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. Right. Carefully chosen metaphors. Don&#8217;t say &#8220;nanny&#8221; when you mean &#8220;big brother.&#8221; That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read his book but did read the site you gave.  I will allow anyone to use the term &quot;big brother&quot; and will not take offense.  Similarly, I in turn won&#039;t express much empathy for those offended by the use of the less-gender specific &quot;nanny state&quot;.  I think this hyper-sensitivity diminishes what Lackoff believes-  that metaphors enhance communication of thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read his book but did read the site you gave.  I will allow anyone to use the term &#8220;big brother&#8221; and will not take offense.  Similarly, I in turn won&#8217;t express much empathy for those offended by the use of the less-gender specific &#8220;nanny state&#8221;.  I think this hyper-sensitivity diminishes what Lackoff believes-  that metaphors enhance communication of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: bill fleming</title>
		<link>http://dakotawarcollege.com/archives/3419/comment-page-1#comment-21522</link>
		<dc:creator>bill fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. Well, that&#039;s what we used to call it. Why the change? Have you read George Lakoff&#039;s books Troy. The distinction is critical, actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. Well, that&#8217;s what we used to call it. Why the change? Have you read George Lakoff&#8217;s books Troy. The distinction is critical, actually.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff</a></p>
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		<title>By: Troy Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I think we are becoming hyper-sensitive.  Call it all &quot;Big Brother&quot; as far as I am concerned.  I don&#039;t consider it a slap at malehood to have this referred to in the masculine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I think we are becoming hyper-sensitive.  Call it all &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; as far as I am concerned.  I don&#8217;t consider it a slap at malehood to have this referred to in the masculine.</p>
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		<title>By: bill fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thread, PP. 

I&#039;d argue that there are &quot;nanny&quot; ideas and &quot;big daddy&quot; (or big brother, if you prefer) ideas, both of which can lead to legislation that constitutes an overeach of Government authority. 

To characterize it all as &quot;nannyism&quot; is actually pretty sexist framing on its face if you think about it (that is, unless you know a lot of male nannys.)

The upshot is, you might want to include a &quot;big brother&quot; pejorative in some of your rants from time to time. Perhaps such a little linguistic tweak might even help you clarify some of your own thoughts on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread, PP. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that there are &#8220;nanny&#8221; ideas and &#8220;big daddy&#8221; (or big brother, if you prefer) ideas, both of which can lead to legislation that constitutes an overeach of Government authority. </p>
<p>To characterize it all as &#8220;nannyism&#8221; is actually pretty sexist framing on its face if you think about it (that is, unless you know a lot of male nannys.)</p>
<p>The upshot is, you might want to include a &#8220;big brother&#8221; pejorative in some of your rants from time to time. Perhaps such a little linguistic tweak might even help you clarify some of your own thoughts on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I define a nanny state issue as any governmental violation of the principle of subsidiarity.  Essentially, this is whereby the more distant governmental entity invades on the legitimate authority of a closer entity (all the way down to the individual) whereby either the compelling interest the distant entity is insufficient to justify the intrusion or the right rests solelywith the closer entity by virtue of natural or constitutional law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I define a nanny state issue as any governmental violation of the principle of subsidiarity.  Essentially, this is whereby the more distant governmental entity invades on the legitimate authority of a closer entity (all the way down to the individual) whereby either the compelling interest the distant entity is insufficient to justify the intrusion or the right rests solelywith the closer entity by virtue of natural or constitutional law.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PP,

Steve Sibson is 100 percent wrong when he says that 3 and 4 year olds will be added to the state aid formula. That is not at all what the legislation attempts to do. The bill allows the state Board of Education to set up standards for pre-K operation and standards for pre-K staff.

This might be a foot in the door, but it doesn&#039;t involve any state-aid money at this point.</description>
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<p>Steve Sibson is 100 percent wrong when he says that 3 and 4 year olds will be added to the state aid formula. That is not at all what the legislation attempts to do. The bill allows the state Board of Education to set up standards for pre-K operation and standards for pre-K staff.</p>
<p>This might be a foot in the door, but it doesn&#8217;t involve any state-aid money at this point.</p>
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