Comments on: Where do I sign up? “Conservatives against IM10″ forms

By: Troy Jones

Troy Jones — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:19 +0000

Shaky Jake: I am not a politician. I’ve never offered myself for election to anything outside of my church and have no intention of every doing so.

With regard to IM10 and its first two sections: Because I do not believe that the local township board can’t hire a lobbyist or pay its members to go Pierre to oppose an unfunded mandate or ask for at least partial participation from the “mandator”, I am not a conservative. Because I take seriously the Consitutional right to petition one’s government via a more local government entity, I’m not a conservative. The definition of a conservative is getting pretty damn narrow.

By: shaky jake

shaky jake — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:35:46 +0000

Dusty, perhaps you are, OK, let me suggest a more accurate name for this group. “Politicians Against Initiative 10.”

Troy– the first two sections of IM 10….

By: Troy Jones

Troy Jones — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:00:02 +0000

Lee, my exceptional physique is a testament to my love of my wife, my desire to live by the “waste not, need not” credo and be green. I eat what she prepares and eat the left-overs while they are still hot to preserve energy from having them re-heated.

Shaky Jake: You don’t know me. There are few people who want government to be less intrusive than me and taxes to be lower than me. What conservative principle do you think that I reject?

By: Dusty Johnson

Dusty Johnson — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:58:19 +0000

Shaky Jake,

I’m a conservative first, and have had far, far greater frustration with Bush then I ever had with Reagan. I have heard other “Conservatives Against Initiative 10″ say the same thing, incidentally.

Dusty

By: shaky jake

shaky jake — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:56:03 +0000

To make any sense, and to be honest, this group should be properly called “Republicans Against Initiative 10″. Since there are no genuine conservatives in the list. All have less in common with Reagan than they do with Bush.

By: Rick

Rick — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:06:58 +0000

Doug, Dusty, and Jeff are three of my favorite people. Solid conservatives with good heads on their shoulders. Go, guys!

By: Lee Schoenbeck

Lee Schoenbeck — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:13:31 +0000

Troy is more Humaner than I am, by like 50 pounds!

By: Bill Fleming

Bill Fleming — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:38:18 +0000

duggerSD, that’s because Sibby and Breard are doing all their phone surveys with a two tin cans and a string.

By: Bill Fleming

Bill Fleming — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:35:35 +0000

Well, Lee and Troy may not be liberals, but they’re probably Humaner Seculists.

By: Lee Schoenbeck

Lee Schoenbeck — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:29:23 +0000

I think the poll numbers are at least in part explained by the initiative including going after the no-bid contracts. That provision is appealing and makes people wonder. The problem with the initiative, besides the much discussed impact on participation in the process (ability to contribute), is the fundamental change it forces on the balance of power in our state for local governments. They would be denied a voice at the table in Pierre when they are being threatend by assorted special interests. They would be prohibited from hiring a lobbyist, or having an association there to defend them. It is not reasonable to say that the township clerk or the mayor of Waubay or Canton or Faith should be there in Pierre themselves for two months talking to their legislators. These are VERY part-time folks volunteering their community service. We should not erect barriers that make it harder for local government to operate, and defend itself. Finally, and oddly, it is the efforts by local governments to pool their resources and save money using one association director for many towns or townships – that is being attacked! Shouldn’t this frugality be encouraged?

By: Aaron Lorenzen

Aaron Lorenzen — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:20:55 +0000

PP, when you find the link to sign up let me know…otherwise…add Aaron Lorenzen to the list

By: duggerSD

duggerSD — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:03:50 +0000

On a slightly related topic here, have you read the poll in the Arduous Liar about IM10? It appears at this time 43% are against this and something like 33% are in favor. After hearing about the internal polls by the Sibby group, I was under the impression this was a done deal.

By: Troy Jones

Troy Jones — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:18:49 +0000

Free speech, petitioning our government and right to form associations are U.S. Consitutionally enumerated rights. This bill transcends conservativism and liberalism as it is an affront to Americanism.

Calling all liberals: Form a similar group and join us. Since John doesn’t think I am a conservative, if you want me on your letterhead, put me on it.

By: PP at the SDWC

PP at the SDWC — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:57:11 +0000

John –

You’re calling Brock and Lee liberals? Or Dana, who was the chair of SD Right to life last election when they supported the abortion ban? Or Noem, Partridge or Rhoden? They’re all liberal activists?

That’s pretty weak. And everyone knows it.

Your grousing sounds like the last gasp of a faltering campaign that sees it slipping through their fingers.

By: Righty

Righty — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:52:28 +0000

Okay, John, time to put up or shut up. What exactly was not conservative about Lee’s time in the senate? Or Jim’s time as state attorney? Or Dana’s time as national committeeman? The businesspeople listed run smart and successful businesses and are consistent supporters of conservative causes.

Whose “record” are you refering to?

By: John

John — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:45:07 +0000

I call BS. These aren’t conservatives. Look at their records. Or are these people that we are calling conservative leadership? God help us.

By: Jackie D.

Jackie D. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:30:02 +0000

I support Conservatives Against IM 10. The bill as written is detrimental to the people of SD.

By: Righty

Righty — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:13:59 +0000

Wow. This is a blue ribbon group of conservatives. Good people. Compare this list to the list of Pro-10 folks (Breard, Wesolick, Sibby, Droz, etc).

* Who has worked harder for conservative causes over the years?
* Who is better respected across the state?
* Who is more likely to have the real interests of South Dakota at heart?

I’ll take the Conservatives Against 10 folks any day. I bet the voters will, too.