Herseth indistinguishable from Pelosi?
From Mt. Blogmore:
3) Stephanie Herseth Sandlin voted with Nancy Pelosi 93.5 percent of the time.
Not exactly something that makes you want to vote for her, is it?
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Chris Lien is a good candidate. He finishes the campaign with dignity intact to fight another day. This election will not be his.
I called and wrote Herseth and told her that I would not vote for a representative that voted yes on the bailout.
Lien got our votes.
A four year (yes, I meant to say 4 years..starting at the DNC Convention 2004) campaign can put a drag on political blogging. I certainly hope Republicans haven’t lost passion but I sure know they’re getting tired.
Hey PP, can you help explain something to me?
Why on Earth do Republicans hate Pelosi? By all rights, she’s been pretty much a push-over as a Speaker of the House and although she’s pretty liberal herself, she has never advanced some of the truly radical parts of the Democratic agenda and she’s been absolutely soft on Republicans and conservative Democrats alike.
Why isn’t this hatred placed on someone like Harry Reid? Or someone truly radical like Dennis Kuicinich?
Is it because she’s from a state that’s been categorized as “liberal” like California? Is it because she’s a fairly recognizable figure? Is it because she’s a woman? What gives?
Interesting that Obama has based his campaign on trying to link McCain and Bush, but when Saint Stephanie and Pelosi are mentioned in the same breath, there’s outrage?
Susan G, you are misinformed. Or you are attempting to spread disinformation. SHS did not vote for the handout. Dang it, there I go again. I mean bailout.
Susan G. The only one of SD’s representatives who voted for the bailout was John Thune. Not Tim, Not Stephanie, just John.
Stephanie voted the way she did for political reasons. She never explained ‘Why’ she voted the way she did, she just said ‘It was a bad bill.’ So that means she either thinks we are too stupid to understand, she doesn’t understand or she didn’t read the bill.
Voting with Pelosi 93.5% of the time only further supports my opinion of Stephanie voting party lines instead of for South Dakota.
Guy Smylie is just mad because Stephanie didn’t support the bailout like his hero John Thune. Guy Smylie really, really likes corporate welfare - as he indicated several times in a previous post.
PP, are we in SD part of the “real, pro-america america”? I’d hate to find out I was part of the “don’t like america america”.
The GOP is no longer the big tent, but more like tent city. Here are a few musings from Carville and Begala on what the GOP does or doesn’t stand for anymore:
The Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we’ll need a program to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a “humble foreign policy” like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?
9:34 Good post, and yes, we’re seeing that in microcosm right here on SDWC with Sibby hammering PP about being a Seculent Humanoid, and PP dissing Stan A. for supporting good ideas as opposed to blind allegiance to which party those ideas came from.
Some time back, PP foresaw this and published a series of pretty good, candid essays about how his party was in meltdown and what to do about it.
Then his server crashed (probably from culture shock) and we haven’t heard him talk like that since.
Maybe he should dig those files up and if not re-post them, at least re-read them.
Susan, you should really check your facts. Herseth voted against the bailout. Twice, in fact.
And where are these statistics coming from? There’s no source listed. Anybody can make up numbers.
And really? After the trouncing that Lien got in the PBS debate last night - this is all the right-wing blogosphere can come up with? A vague, unproven statistic?
Sad.
Herseth indistinguishable from Pelosi? Hardly. Pelosi was a babe back in the day. Herseth is a babe today.
Next question.
Todd Epp
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Pelosi has been demonized to make it easy for inept Republican candidates to find something that they can attack and associate with Democratic candidates. It is just another variation of Newt Gingrich’s redefinition of liberal as somehow evil and unpatriotic.
Without strawmen to attack, most GOP candidates would be unable to gin up an issue of any kind.
For those of you asking where that percentage is coming from…here’s your answer (from the link PP provided):
3) Stephanie Herseth Sandlin voted with Nancy Pelosi 93.5 percent of the time.
All three voting stats are being used by opponents of these three candidates in their campaigns.
Hmmm…so we are basing this whole discussion based on some percentage that Lien is throwing out there. Awesome.
Doug Wiken is right. The Republican strategy going back to Lee Atwater running Daddy Bush’s campaign against Dukakis was the prototype for the straw man campaigns of today. It was perfected by Atwater disciple, Karl Rove, hence all the talk about unpatriotic, un-American and other such gibberish. This year, now that the Republicans have driven our economy into the ditch and ground down our military to the point that it will take years to recover, the people are finally thinking things through and not believing the Republican gibberish.
Democrats make truth by repetition.
There is no such thing as corporate welfare, because corporations work for the money they are allowed by the Government to keep. That would be like saying the change you get at Starbucks is actually THEIR money and they are ‘gifting’ you the money back. What logic!? lol
Stephanie was elected by sophmoric minds, who would rather vote for Pamela Anderson over Margaret Thatcher; and the “First Timers” crowd…’I voted for the first woman Representative, and I know she’s qualified…her grandfather was govenor!’ Ha! What a bunch of rubes!
Campaign Mike, from the Lien crew, has pointed out that Stephanie voted with the majority of her party 93% of the time. Not Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Party.
And if nationwide polls are any indication, a larger chunk of South Dakotans, and the VAST majority of Americans, think that the Democrats are doing and will continue to do a better job at running the country than Republicans.
So while protecting ag interests in South Dakota, standing up for the rights of Native Americans, bringing money back home, and protecting 2nd Amendment rights, she has been an effective Representative.
And Guy, did you really just compare Herseth to Pamela Anderson? And…Bill Janklow to Margaret Thatcher?
I knew Bill Janklow, I shook hands with Bill Janklow, some of Bill Janklow’s friends are friends of mine. Margaret Thatcher, you’re no Bill Janklow.
I’m still waiting for Pat’s endorsement and laud of Stephanie as per his gentleman’s agreement with Todd.
I don’t like Ms. Pelosi because of the way she has sort of a crooked mouth, Xiao Xi. That’s not some shallow, slot-mouthed biggotry, it’s based on a deep personal believe that people with slot-mouths are inherently liberal and fiscally irresponsible.
I should clarify that some slot-mouthes, like Turback, can be hot when they have their mouthes closed, but they are almost always open. (look at any picture you can find of Turback, Pelosi, or Herseth.)
John McCain voted with George Bush more than 90 percent of the time.
Not exactly something that makes you want to vote for him, is it?
And those 93+ percent of votes that allegedly agreed with Pelosi or Democrats were bad for South Dakota because…? That’s just silly!
It’s the 10% difference, or 7.85%, or whatever of whomever you are looking at that matters.
How many of those 90+% were votes on things like “We hereby resolve to encourage education…”, “The sky is generally blue…”, “Drugs are bad, bad I say (except for MJ to some people who think it helps them when they are sick)”, and “2 + 2 = 3″.
It’s not the “voted with” part that’s important. Some of that stuff is IM10-ish, and the whole world would vote against it with any common sense.
It’s the part where they are different, and what those issues were, that is important.
I herd Bill Fleming rite then and their. This talking with type keys can generate all kinds of interesting errors as we start and break to a stop. Something for psychologists to think about.
And drat, my Massey-red tractor has faded to near pink. Awful to be so colorfully incorrect.
Wind is blowing so hard here that wind chimes sound like church bells. That is a slight exaggeration.
Bill Janklow??? Bill Janklow?? Where did Bil…Oh, He won against Herseth the first time she ran!! I forgot about that.(I just wanted to express what was going on in my mind when Janklow was compared to Thatcher) That wasn’t a contest.
Yes, Pamela Anderson could take Stephanies place in Congress. She’s really smart you know!
The point is there was no other reason for her being elected for her seat.
I fail to understand how an approval rating of the Democrat majority of Congress in the teens, lower than the President’s 27%, translates into the VAST majority of Americans thinking the Democrats are doing a better job.
Still not what I’d call VAST, but guess it all depends on which side your on. And I do believe we had agreed that it was Mellow to you.
Well, I can’t believe you are going back on your word, but whatever you want. I haven’t been called Red since back in grade school.
You realize that the approval rating of Congress is so low because Americans don’t understand that Congress is designed to move slowly for a reason. Study some American Government, Red.
Funny how the approval rating is so low but the rate of incumbency is around 95%. We all love our own, but we hate the process. It’s the same with earmarks.
The Republican Congress didn’t have a great approval rating, either, my friend.
I guess I remember the days when the Republican party had a little more passion. This post has been up for awhile and there’s not 50 comments?
I think I understand a little better why PP is considering a different direction.
By the way if you didn’t watch the debate tonight Chris was pretty good. His close was perfect in that he said he was a citizen representative and that when he was done, he’d come home.
My father, who is pretty liberal, and new to the state, thought Stephanie said a lot without saying anything and that Lien was someone who was well grounded enough to earn his vote.
He was kind of surprised that the polls were the way they were given our Republican base.