Dem State Senator chosen to introduce Bernie Sanders (Updated)

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Not sure I’d want to tie myself to the socialist candidate for president…

(And not sure what blew up with the html coding from my phone where I posted it from)

23 thoughts on “Dem State Senator chosen to introduce Bernie Sanders (Updated)

  1. Liberty Dick

    Anonymous @331 you read my mind.
    I figured Bernie wanted SD’s most pro choice, tax increase loving, progressive Senator Deb Peters as well.

    1. Anonymous

      If Hubbell wasn’t her opponent Peter’s would not be coming back to the senate for year 7 and 8. Peters might lose if the SDRTL, FHA, American’s for Prosperity and CWA got it together and sent some mailers.

      I don’t know if I see AFP getting involved in that one though they should. They fought against the tax increase and lost. If they don’t show that their are consequences in SD for voting against their wishes then they are not an organization to take seriously.

      The Social conservative groups need to be revived in SD.

      1. USA

        I’m just curious if AFP SD does anything in primaries? They obviously are not respected or feared by the majority of legislators.

  2. Troy Jones

    AFP is highly respected by the Republican caucus. They just don’t demand absolute agreement on every issue, they don’t burn down the house over every issue, and you are right that they don’t persuade/cajole by fear which has only short-term results.

    Smart people know fear is a more motivator to get what they want both in the near and long term. They persuade and educate with information and analysis.

    1. USA

      Wrong. The fight over tax increases was important to AFP. They opposed it. They lost that fight badly. What does that say about their leadership?

    2. Anonymous

      Two of the largest tax increases in SD’s history, back to back. How’s that “oh please stop” working out for South Dakota?

      1. Anonymous

        Exactly. I can’t name one effective conservative group that lobbies. We lost on every major front.

  3. Jason Sebern

    It would be my honor to introduce Senator Sanders. His platform is MLK Jr’s Dream.

    1. Spencer

      No wonder the DNC is using super delegates to shut Bernie down. What a bunch of kooks.

  4. Anonymous

    The system is totally rigged. Bernie is getting hosed by the DNC just like the GOP establishment tried to screw Trump. The difference is the GOP voters are more independent minded than the dem voters at this moment in time. No way anyone should be able to justify voting for Hillary. Bernie all the way. Trump all the way.

  5. Troy Jones

    Legislators are answerable to the people who elect them. Not lobbying groups. Lobbying groups like AFP provide advice and information to Legislators to seriously consider. The fact the Legislators don’t put the advice and position of lobbying groups ahead of the wishes of people who elect them doesn’t mean there isn’t respect.

    At the end of the day, South Dakota is in the top five states in the nation with regard to low aggregate taxes and social issue laws. In my eyes, there are some things they can do better. In other’s eyes, there are some things they can do better. Let’s debate and discuss that. But, the inference this is a liberal state is blatantly false.

  6. Michael Wyland

    Anonymous May 11, 2016 at 10:22 pm has a point, but I’d elaborate to say that the DNC, especially with its reliance on superdelegates, is a major factor. The Clintons’ taking over the party machinery, partly through successful fundraising, is another key factor. The fact that Clinton supporter DWS is DNC chair is another specific factor, but her chairmanship may be an effect rather than a cause.

    Remember that superdelegates were a response, in large part, by the DNC to its riotous 1968 convention, the 1972 convention that produced George McGovern as its Presidential candidate. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#History

    The RNC has no superdelegates – all delegates are chosen by caucus or primary or through another state party-led process. Its weakness is also its strength, in that the RNC has no single person or family controlling the RNC’s access to funds and setting its agenda.

  7. Troy Jones

    Michael is right how Democrat Super Delegates came into being. What is unique this year is the discrepancy in the percentage of Super Delegates going one particular way. Historically, Super Delegate allocation was relatively closely aligned to the distribution of delegates earned in primaries and caucuses.

    That is not the case today. Sanders is only 283 delegates behind Clinton in pledged delegates (earned in primaries and caucuses). With roughly 1,000 delegates still in play through the rest of the primaries and caucuses, it would still be possible for Sanders to close that gap (need to win 65% of the remaining which would be hard).

    But, because Clinton has 524 of the 564 delegates who have announced their support, Sanders can only win under this scenario:

    1) He gets 80% of the remaining earned delegates (impossible without a Clinton implosion) and 100% of the super delegates unpledged.

    2) There is a mass migration of super delegates from Clinton to Sanders (which would only happen if there is a Clinton implosion).

  8. Troy Jones

    Hit send too early

    3) Sanders runs the table in the remaining primaries and earns roughly 55% of the remaining delegates. Because of this performance, the Super Delegates en masse decide Clinton is a flawed candidate and they shift to Bernie. While the odds are low of this happening, I think this is Sanders best chance.

    Sidenote: If one were to pick when Clinton won the nomination, I’d say it was Super Tuesday when she swept the night (five states). It gave her the air of inevitability that has allowed her to limp into the nomination. I think if 36,000 votes had switched in two states, this would be a totally different situation as she might have only won New York of the nine primaries in April. That would have cooked her just like Obama did in 2008.

  9. Anonymous

    Rather surprised at the turn out in Rapid, didn’t think there were that many socialists here.

  10. Troy Jones

    I went to the rally in Sioux Falls. The biggest cheer was when he took on Hillary and standing in line the conversation about her was not very nice. There is a division that will be hard to heal. Going gave me a sense of his appeal. It is like Trump- a frustration the system is not serving the people.

  11. Anonymous

    Heinert is a perfect pick to introduce Bernie. Troy is, and always has been, a raging liberal socialist, who claims to be Indian, although he has hardly any Indian blood.

  12. Troy Heinert

    Hello Pat, a friend of mine sent me this link (yes I have Republican friends). Thank you for giving me a shout out. I was proud to be able to introduce Senator Sanders as it might be a once in a lifetime opportunity. I know your readers and I probably don’t agree on much politically and that is fine with me, I think we need a healthy two party system in SD. What I won’t do is turn debate into personal attacks on who we are as human beings. Unfortunately, other people do not feel the same way. I am a proud Sicangu Lakota who has lived most of my life on the Reservation. My father (who passed away when I was 12) is Lakota and my mother is Dutch and my enrollment number is 345U037928. If anyone has any other questions I ask that you email me or call me at 319-6570 not hid behind an anonymous post.