Getting to the bottom of sdrepublican.org

There’s a new website that’s the talk of the political scene lately – sdrepublican.org.

If you’re not familiar with it, they just came out with rankings of legislators based on someone’s interpretation of the South Dakota GOP platform.

http://www.sdrepublican.org/2011SDGOPVoteReportByPercent.pdf

Betty Olson and Stace Nelson found themselves at the top of the Rankings in the House, and Tad Perry was dead last. In the Senate, Tim Begalka and democrat Jason Frerichs found themselves at the top, with Peters, Tiedemann and Haverly allegedly bringing up the bottom for their obedience to the GOP platform.

There’s lots of chatter on this on the blogs and on facebook among legislators, both pro and con. But the big question is – who is the group that put this out? No one seems to know.

However, there are a few clues.

If you look at the source file for first page of the website, it shows that sdrepublican.org is not where the site is hosted. That’s actually a masked URL. It’s actual address is http://svn1967.fatcow.com/gop/

Digging a little deeper, if you look at the http://svn1967.fatcow.com/ website, that place on the Internet seems to be the home of the Dakota Territory Rangers, a monthly shooting club that throws lead around on select Sunday afternoons in Mitchell or Huron. It appears that whoever hosts this website has a lot to do with the rankings of republican-ness for legislators that has many of them rankled, as they’re hosting the website.

When I peeked at the picture gallery for the Dakota Territory rangers,

(http://svn1967.fatcow.com/id9.html) I did notice someone familiar who I’ve seen up at session before:

http://svn1967.fatcow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/DTRangers/DSCF3039.JPG

State Representative Stace Nelson is prominently featured on this website, which had me curious. Is Stace’s own website connected with sdrepublican.org website which ranks the republican-ness of our legislators and that of the Dakota Territory Rangers?

Just like the sdrepublican.org website, stacenelson.com is actually hosted as a subdirectory (http://svn1967.fatcow.com/svn/) under the main site at http://svn1967.fatcow.com.

I’m not saying that Stace is involved in this ranking of Republicans, which has him at the top of the rankings in the house, aside from the fact that it appears that all three websites share the same web space at svn1967.fatcow.com.

But the State Representative born in 1967, whose initials happen to be SVN, might be the recipient of some pointed questions regarding this web convergence. His email is also an indicator of its own svn1967@yahoo.com.

102 Replies to “Getting to the bottom of sdrepublican.org”

  1. Anonymous

    Tim Begalka was the prime sponsor of a bill to increase the sales tax this year. If that doesn’t violate the SD GOP platform I don’t know what does. Whoever did this ranking is an idiot.

    1. insomniac

      This is a great example of how we eat our own as a party. This happens everytime we get to many GOP members in Pierre.

      Why do we do this to our own party?

    2. S.D. Political Observer

      From what I can tell, it was primarily bills that received a floor vote (and in a few cases a committee vote) that were evaluated on this scorecard.

      So bill ‘sponsorship’ was not evaluated, nor should it be.

      Anyone can “sponsor” liberal legislation (or conservative legislation for that matter). But sponsorship of any particular bill doesn’t automatically qualify them as a “liberal” or “conservative”.

      In fact, some legislators actually co-sponsor conservative bills because they know the bill has zero chance of making it through the particular committee in which the hearings for the bill are taking place. Thus it provides political cover.

      To use the same argument as above, there was liberal legislation during the last session that proposed that South Dakota apportion its electoral college votes according to the results of the “National Popular Vote”.

      The NPV movement has been promoted by Jonathan Soros (son of George) and promotes itself as an “election reform”movement. You can read his article here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122930124441705413.html

      Many folks including David Gringer at Columbia Law Review have pointed out (and rightly in my opinion) that the NPV may actually violate the Voting Rights Act.
      http://www.columbialawreview.org/assets/pdfs/108/1/Gringer.pdf

      Not to mention that implementing the provisions of that bill could have result in a potential situation where 51% (or more) of the people in South Dakota vote for the Republican candidate, but the state’s electoral votes would end up being awarded to the Democrat candidate if they simply received a majority of the popular vote nationwide. South Dakota voters be damned.

      Obviously, that piece of legislation would have potentially rendered the presidential choice of the majority of South Dakotans irrelevant. Which I think most of us would agree would be a bad outcome for the voters of our state.

      Among the sponsors for that legislation were a number of Republican legislators- including Senators Johnston, Lederman, Krebs, and Gray, and Reps. Hoffman, Turbiville, Perry, and Willadsen.

      Should these legislators be deemed “liberal” legislators ONLY by virtue of their sponsorship of that bill ? Of course not.

      Obviously, that kind of argument (based on sponsorship of one bill) doesn’t hold water.

      So neither does it make any sense to call someone a “liberal” based on sponsorship of a single bill that addresses taxation.

      Although I certainly do think that sponsorship could certainly qualify as grounds for speculation of that sort…..

  2. Anonymous

    Well why is Tim Rave the GOP Chairman pulling down a 33% rating on the party platform? I think there is a storm a brewin’ in the SD GOP/Tea Party/conservative/libertarians and this just ignited the fuse.

    I would hands down vote for Stace Nelson over Tim Rave for Chairman.

  3. Stace is da man

    Tim Rave doesn’t even deserve a 33% ranking…his fidelity to the state GOP is lacking at best.

    1. 73*

      I wonder what other legislators were in on it with him and if they will come forward and stand strong with him.

        1. anon

          Bill Clay outsmarted a sweater vest, kristi noem obsessed, french teaching liberal. That’s why he is on the GOP’s side.

      1. caheidelberger

        [Go ahead, meatheads, keep up with the silly personal comments. You get to say such things only because I tell you who I am instead of hiding behind a fake name. And even if I knew your names, I would not waste argument space by making such irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Your cowardly anonymity shields you from attacks that I need not and would not make. I’d just keep beating you on policy arguments.]

    1. Anonymous

      Cory it seems that Stace Nelson is the person you can get to challenge Noem in a primary. I mean the guy commands loyalty from the tea party and GOP activists. If he ran against Noem it would scare her a bit. Plus I bet Noem doesn’t rank much more Republican than Rave.

  4. Anonymous

    HHHM. Stace Nelson ranks his district mate & party leader Tim Rave low on the semper fi scale? Looks like just more low-down internet shenanigans like he used on his dem opponent in the last race – now aimed at Republicans.

    I think Stace Nelson views himself as some kind of movement leader or something, but I don’t see anyone following. Semper fizzle.

  5. Yankton voter

    Though I commend Stace on this ranking thing. BALLS!!!

    This thing is going to blow up big! The establishment and leadership thing is going to be in for a real fight now and the conservatives will stand together.

    (unless he has made them all mad at him by ranking them low)

  6. anon

    Rave is not a good party chair and that is saying something. I don’t think he gets it or the responsibility that comes with the position. It’s like he got it because he is related to Daugaard and friends with Noem.

  7. Arrowhead

    I would vote for Stace for Congress! At least I know what I’m getting with him. He is a straight talking smart guy. He’s a patriot! he reminds me of Allen West.

  8. Turning Japanese, I think I'm....

    This proves that you cannot get away with anything stupid, vindictive, or a woman, in America today.

    Cain/Nelson 2016

  9. caheidelberger

    Nelson as primary challenger to Noem? I don’t think Stace wants that. If I drop my partisan preferences, I might suggest he would do better sticking with the state legislature for another term or two to challenge the GOP establishment there.

      1. Stace Nelson

        Spot on MC! The jury (family) indicated it may be a hung jury (hang dad if he runs again) on me running even for the House. That being said, I have had overwhelming support in the local area and have been asked to run again.

        No interest of leaving Hanson Co. full time, not gonna happen. Earned the right for the Good Lord to find me tinkering around on my little 107 year old money pit farm, when it is my time. God bless.

  10. Stace Nelson

    So let me get this right, the story is about the people that put out the report, and the people that gave them aid in expressing their MOST IMPORTANT of their freedoms, and not the voting records of their elected officials?

    You DANG right I helped these people put their site up, and dang proud to have done so. I told the GOP party many times this summer that these folks were working on this report, that I had seen extended spreadsheets that they were working on and that it looked real ugly for some of our (R) legislators.

    Do I agree 100% with the bills they used, no. Do I agree with and support their rights to vent about what they see as a trend in the SD GOP?

    If some chickenspit is offened that I helped these many Republican voters, from across South Dakota, with their freedom of speech, PLEASE! Feel free to come up and poke me in the chest and let me know it.

    The ISSUE is the recorded PUBLIC votes of elected legislators. If you want to make the issue about me helping grass root Republicans, feel free. You don’t like this, your going to hate the bill I have to make legislators voting records cumalatively available online!

      1. Stace Nelson

        The press contacted me, I support the folks right to know. An honest man ain’t got nothing to hide.

        Last time I checked, it is the South Dakota House of Representatives. That is the people’s house and what goes on there is the people’s business.

    1. MC Post author

      Unless I’m mistaken, is this the kind of data Rep. Nelson wanted the LRC to put out?

      So What if Stace Nelson help put the site together? I for one like that he is trying to connect to the voters of this state.

      1. Stace Nelson

        MC, These folks manually compiled the data vote by vote since back to when the legislature was even in session. South Dakotans should not have to spend that amount of time to find out how their elected officials voted.

        You can now understand the angry pushback and oppostion to my efforts to research the issue of putting cumalative voting records online, by politicians.

        Some of the folks involved in this, helped get a lot of Republicans elected last fall. To include myself. They have every right to compile a report card reflective of their views of how those Republicans are doing in accordance with what they were promised these candidates were going to do when they ran (SD Republican Party Platform = (R)).

        The big mistake that was made was for people to assume that because I helped them put their site up, that it was my report.

  11. Stace Nelson

    Turning Japanese, I think I’m…. = Caveman = Rep. Charlie Hoffman

    You ought to hide your dang identity and take pot shots. It’s your dang voting record. Cowboy up and own it.

  12. Troy Jones

    Mr. Nelson,

    I’m glad you have chosen to come clean on this rating that gives you a 95% positive rating. Considering your law enforcement background, it now explains why the #1 referenced section of the platform is “Public Safety and Security.”

    I think though it would have been more honest to have admitted your role upfront vs. acting coy on Dakota Voice and Madville Times and inferring this was done without your assistance.

    When I saw this comment on Dakota Voice, I knew instantly you were involved yet trying to pretend otherwise.

    “Feel a little shy about speaking in favor of it; however, I am glad that folks are paying attention. Always good when the voters are keeping an eye on things.” (You are an elected member of the legislature. You are not an average voter. More importantly, why be “shy” when you were so obviously involved. As you say, “cowboy up.”

    These comments on Madville especially give the inference you had nothing to do with this group. The capitalization is my emphasis added. In fact, the use of the word “their” and “these” folks/voters is more than an inference since the words define “others besides yourself.”

    “I fully understand why THESE folks posted this WITHOUT LAYING ANY CLAIMS PERSONALLY TO IT.”

    “THEIR killer statement that if a bill is viewed as flawed, as alleged above, every legislator has the ability to offer corrections at every stage of the process. (It was obvious you were behind it as you said these very words many times when others pointed out a bill was flawed)

    “THESE folks had a right to throw something together and put it out.” (Here is where you could have admitted your involvement if you were really into full disclosure)

    “It was THEIR project, they had a right to put out the issues that stuck in their craw.” (How about adding “with my help” to be fully honest?)

    “I do see where THEY included tons of links for people to explore the bills and legislators.” (This infers it is the first time you saw this links which by the way I do think was quite good when your involvement is evidence otherwise.)

      1. Real Life...

        The more the jackels attack from the shadows, the more the lion looks noble in the spotlight of the National Geographics camera…

        Imagine the loyalty being inspired in the members of the groups listed on the site? Those are the people that help get candidates elected, not the paltry $50 thrown at a candidate by an arrogant uninvolved bystander.

  13. Stace Nelson

    Mr. Jones,
    To actual people in the know, I told them I was interacting with these folks and had answered extensive questions from various people from across the state.

    These folks did not want the issue to be about persons in their group, the groups that participated, and they were afraid of retaliation. I know that there were many people involved with this from across the state, I do not know them all. This is not my report, I would have different bills than some that are listed.

    You don’t like that I helped them, tough squat. Feel free to come up and poke me in the chest and let me know.

    It was free for them to host on my service provider, they asked, I hooked them up. I have done such pro-bono efforts with other organizations over the years as pointed out in the article with DTRangers.

    Again, please feel free to come up in person and let me know how terrible it was for me to assist these people with their freedom of speech.

  14. Troy Jones

    Mr. Nelson,

    I couldn’t care less you helped them or were involved. It just appears you don’t seem to be as honest and forthright as you claim or expect of others.

    Furthermore, if you had an obligation to protect this group’s anonymity, you should have chosen not to speak on this matter in public forums and infer you weren’t involved since that isn’t true.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Mr. Jones, I am an overweight, broken down, ugly SOB with clay feet, you got me.

      You are entitled to your opinion; however, as I told the folks that I helped, I would not lie about my assistance and I have not.

      I am sorry for them that I was shoved into the forefront on this as it was their wishes that it be about people examining the party platform and how our elected officials are voting.

        1. Stace Nelson

          Hogwash! I was never asked “did you help these folks get a website up?”

          I told NUMEROUS people that I was aware that these groups were working on a report card. I am also aware that they consulted numerous legislators.

          You don’t like me helping these folks, you can join the rest of em in the invitation to come poke me in the chest and tell me.

          Bottom line, it appears their report on how people voted is accurate. You can debate how they scored legislators, but the issue is the PUBLIC VOTING records.

          1. Troy Jones

            Failing to tell the whole truth might a lie. Using words to give the perception you were not involved is a lie.

            1. Stace Nelson

              Show me where I lied. I told Tim Rave all summer long that I was in contact with people from these groups that was working on this and that they were planning on releasing a report card.

              You got a problem with me helping these folks with their most important of freedoms of speech, please feel free to address it in person.

              1. Bill Fleming

                Stace, you started comments on this thread of Cory’s with vague, cryptic note full of innuendo and false modesty:

                http://madvilletimes.com/2011/11/right-wingers-find-south-dakota-republicans-deviate-from-gop-platform/

                But after the thread developed, you came on in full strength “liar” mode by pretending to be an objective third party, when you knew all along, the info you were talking about was totally self-serving and that you did indeed have involvement with the presentation of it.

                To wit:

                “I fully understand why these folks posted this without laying any claims personally to it. I disagree with some of the bills they have on the list; however, I fully support them, or any other concerned citizens, to compile a list of bills that concerned them and to attempt to educate the public.

                Their killer statement that if a bill is viewed as flawed, as alleged above, every legislator has the ability to offer corrections at every stage of the process.

                These folks had a right to throw something together and put it out. From what I have seen, the votes are what they are. I know that this has caused a stink from one end of the state to the other.

                Lastly, these folks crammed a ton of information on two pages. The reality is they can only get so much in one spot before they lose people or defeat their resources. It was their project, they had a right to put out the issues that stuck in their craw. Good on em. I don?t see any claims that this was a scientific endeavor. I do see where they included tons of links for people to explore the bills and legislators.

                I think this one is fairer than the freedom index; however, I think the results on the Senate side are overly heavy simply due to the bills highlighted.

                Been a rotten day, good night.”

                ______________________

                If that doesn’t lead the objective reader to believe you had little or nothing to do with the site, I have a hard time imagining what else you could have written that would.

                Your pants are on fire, Nelson. Better head for the Jim River, baby.

                  1. Bill Fleming

                    The question is, would you have publicly disclosed your direct involvement in any of this, had it not been revealed here?

                    One more chance to tell the truth, Stace. Don’t blow it.

                    1. Stace Nelson

                      Billy, I can’t recall that I ever took out a public ad to notify people that I put up the Dakota Rangers site for them either. You post on a blog where the main contributor hides his identity about ALL SD political issues and you bust my chops because I respected these people’s wishes?

                      Don’t see any guns to my head to acknowledge it here.

                    2. BF

                      pfft.

                      It wouldn’t have come up if you didn’t put on the big act about not being involved.

                      If you really wanted to be discreet you wouldn’t have been calling attention to it every 10 minutes.

                      But no.

                      You couldn’t wait for the thing to come out so you could point to it and say, “Look, see? Who’s the REAL Republican around here?”

                      You’ve been telegraphing it for weeks.

                      Do you think everyone is as moronic as you, Sibby and Ellis are, Nelson?

                    3. Anonymous

                      Who cares who the blogger is. It isn’t like it hurts anyone.

                      You tried to run down a whole legislature with a holier than thou attitude where you ranked liberal dems higher than conservative republicans.

                      your smokin’ somethin’ if you think Frerichs is more conservative than Russ Olson.

                  2. Stace Nelson

                    Bill, more of your BS attack crap. My voting record is what it is. Please, you and your conservative friends are welcome to create a report that shows these folks & the Freedom Index are wrong.

                    Anonymous, what part of this isn’t my report is hard for you to understand? There is a reason why politicians are shutting their traps from complaining about the reports and removing their blog rants. the folks that created & support this report are grass roots Republicans from across the state!

                    I have yet to see anyone claim that the report contains errors on how some one voted on an issue. All I hear is people wailing that these votes were brought under public scrutiny. Good!

                    If politicians were right in the way they voted, then they should have no problem looking people in the eye and explaining their votes. If they didn’t want that responsability, then they shouldn’t have ran for office.

                    1. BF

                      Doesn’t take much to see the flaw in the index, Stace.

                      Not sure by your bogus personal “disclaimer” of it whether you agree with the conclusions of the site or not.

                      What do you call an index that appears to show that a majority of SD Democrats are more “Republican” than most Republicans are?

                      The word “baloney” comes to mind. But hey, what do I know?

                      If you guys really think the SD Dems are better Republicans than most of the people your own party elects, why don’t you vote for one every once in a while?

                    2. Anonymous

                      Obviously some stupid people put together a stupid list.

                      WHY AREN’T THEY OUT HELPING STACE? i FEEL BAD FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY AREN’T PUBLICLY TAKING A STAND WITH HIM.

            2. Bob Ellis

              “Failing to tell the whole truth might a lie. Using words to give the perception you were not involved is a lie.”

              Now someone who is okay with calling one’s self “Republican” while acting like a Democrat is all in a snit over what he sees as a lack of full disclosure? Can you say “hypocrite”? I knew you could. Can you say “hypocrite RINO”? I certainly can.

  15. Anonymous

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out which 9/12ers are behind this and tea party activists in Rapid and Mitchell. They are good people.

    1. Anonymous

      Just read Stace’s facebook comments by the conservative friends who are laughing all the way to the bank in the comments over there.

      I like Stace. He was trying to do something good. Deal with it.

      1. Anonymous

        Not a facebooker, care to share how many? Any Republican leaders? How many are in the 912 group? What are they saying?

        I mean, is this as big of grass roots uprising as Stace says?

      2. Anonymous

        Not a Facebooker. Care to share how many? Any other legislators running to his defense? Is it mostly 912 friends? What are the comments, are they just way to go Stace or are people coming forward and saying they were a part of the survey?

  16. anooner

    This is about the most interesting read I’ve had on here since PP…ah…er…left the helm? This is exactly the kind of mundane cyber-sleuthing he got off on, and at which he excelled. PP just tell us you didn’t put this together, and if you did, not during business hours.

    When the party members fall in line they are applauded, when somebody bucks the establishment they get labeled a renegade. When somebody bucks Nelson, he either calls em out as unpatriotic or dares them to confront him and poke him in the chest. What is this 1876? Stace, who are you Gary Cooper? You have awful thin skin for big tough ex-marine. Is that your preferred method of conflict resolution? Daring someone to say something to your face. That is gradeschool, and your political inexperience shows just about every time you post something. I almost expected you to call Jones out at high noon in front of Bob’s Lounge, so all the townfolk can watch you give him a beat down. You remind me of Robert “Pappy” Conrad in those old battery commercials. “I dare you to knock this off. C’mon, I dare ya.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-oLQgvcuk

      1. Anooner

        I don’t hold elected office and I’m not a politician. As I’ve maintained all along, you need to blog less and think more. No charge on that one.

  17. Anon

    yawn. this is nothing new – Tea Party doesn’t like anyone who doesn’t fit their mold. what they haven’t figured out yet is that they would be a small minority if they only want people in the party who vote 100% with the way they think. newsflash – party doesn’t elect anyone – the people in the districts do – republican, democrats, and independents.

  18. Steve Hickey

    Apparently I’m only 60% Republican. I bet those who put this together would probably only rank 60% Christian if I laid out the Biblical “platform” for what constitutes a Christian. I vote a different platform. Go ahead, throw me out of office. 

    1. Troy Jones

      Actually Rep. Hickey, you are a dang good Republican in my book (even if you are misinformed on high risk, high cost loans 🙂 )

          1. Steve Hickey

            😉 Sending out a postcard that says I’m 60% Republican would help me win in my district which, even after redistricting, has hundreds more democrats than republicans. Here’s a confession… I’ve read the Republican platform for our state only once in my entire life. It would never even occur to me to consult it when considering a bill. Time prohibits me from looking at the inescapably subjective interpretations of this “GOP” report card but I’d think these bills are hardly black and white in terms of any kind of Republican orthodoxy. Again, I vote a different set of values and ran as a Republican because that’s the party that I believe supports those values. I like to joke I’m not right wing or left wing, I’m the whole bird as everyone else is flying in circles.

    2. S.D. Political Observer

      That’s an interesting comment Rep. Hickey.

      For my part, I think you’re trying to compare apples to oranges if you’re trying to somehow equate a publishing political scorecard with putting Christianity into practice.

      There was only ever 1 person that got “100%” lifetime score in the latter of the two, and they nailed him to a cross if my memory serves me correctly.

      You have taken several occasions to explain some of your votes (even if sometimes people like myself didn’t agree with the reasons for them). But for that you deserve credit.

      As I’ve pointed out to a number of others, this report card is actually NOT a personal attack (despite the fact that some are angry and up in arms about the published results).

      However, it IS a compilation of votes that seem to have valid ties to the Republican Party platform. And as such, they are certainly a valid topic for discussion.
      (Even the snowmobile/coyote bill. —>Do private property rights ring a bell ?)

  19. Anonymous

    I see Ellis has come out of the woodwork now. I wonder who else is in on this scheme with these guys? I wonder how many other legislators are in cahoots? I bet 2 or 3 plus some crazy Tea Baggers.

  20. Cyber Chest Poker

    Man it will be fun to see Frank Kloucek clobber this overgrown child in the next election – that is if Rep. Nelson makes it through a primary. The redistricting committee set this one up perfectly.

    Rep. Stacey Nelson. Buh – Bye

  21. MC Post author

    As I read through the article and comments, I can’t help but to notice the Washington/Chicago style politics.

    The report itself can’t be attacked, it is what it is, so the next best thing is to attack those who compiled and published the report, along with their motives. After some digging by Mr. Clay, we find Representative Stace Nelson’s finger prints on it. This is the kind of report that Representative Nelson asked the LRC to publish, and wouldn’t you know it, it would appear he is right at the top of the list.

    Representative Nelson came back and stated he helped this ‘group’ publish the site, however he did not compile the votes. I have no reason to doubt him. Yes, I am still disappointed with Representative Nelson, not because he help this group, because he allow this report to be published without any names.

    The First Amendment guarantees freedom of the press and freedom of speech. We can publish or say what ever we like, within reason. It does not grant freedom of responsibility from our words. If I publish something here, or anywhere else for that matter, I should be able to back up my words with facts, and stand behind my words. This group would do good identify themselves. It appears they have the facts they need to support their claims.

    The Sixth Amendment allows for those accused to face their accuser. While this is not a court of law, by publishing this report anonymously, those at the bottom of the list are denied to face those making these claims.

    It has been said this group is afraid of retaliation, so they hide behind antonymous web site. If they they stand up, make their claims, and take the heat, knowing their suffering will only show how desperate the leadership is.

    The one person here who seems to have it right is, Representative Steve Hickey. Representatives are to vote on bills based how that bill will affect the people in his respective district, the state, the country, and man kind. Never should a representative vote on a bill based solely how it aligns with their party’s platform.

    Democrats know they can’t be too liberal in South Dakota and stay in office. They have to be as conservative as their party will allow. Even Scott Heidepriem gets this. Remember he was running as a ‘Conservative’ Democrat for Governor.

    1. Anon

      “The Sixth Amendment allows for those accused to face their accuser. While this is not a court of law, by publishing this report anonymously, those at the bottom of the list are denied to face those making these claims.

      It has been said this group is afraid of retaliation, so they hide behind antonymous web site. If they they stand up, make their claims, and take the heat, knowing their suffering will only show how desperate the leadership is.”

      And that coming from an anonymous blogger that goes by “MC”. Way too funny.

  22. Freedom Rocks

    So, for all of your ranting about “who”, let’s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you’ll lose.
    Let’s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What’s that?….you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I’m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You’re either in or you’re out on this one.
    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let’s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I’ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.
    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not – understand what private property rights are. It’s a gift given the American people by God, don’t abuse it.
    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you’ll really remind me of President Obama. I’d not like that. If you knew me, you’d know that would be a bad idea.
    5. Then there is “ObamaCare”. What an embarrassment! How many Republican candidates came to our meetings, our coffees, our restaurants, our farms and promised to “get rid” of it? Well, duh…not only did you not even attempt to get rid of it ! you voted FOR government regulation and set the state up for ObamaCare when South Dakota is one of the states suing the Federal Government to kill it ?? Smoke and mirrors? Or just plain “no guts”. If you are a South Dakotan – take a stand, make a statement and act like one. We DID NOT HAVE to vote in 38 & 43 last year. OH, and why is it that 38 has no suicide clause in it????
    6. Sharia Law? Not politically correct? Tough. More smoke and mirrors! It IS what it IS. Sharia Law is NOT law for the United States of America. It is for Muslims! If Muslims want to live in this country – DEAL WITH IT – abide by our laws! They DO have a choice.
    Yes, I am getting a bit riled up!
    7. Illegal immigration – give it whatever politically correct name you wish. It is illegal! They ARE taking South Dakota jobs. You say “we” would never do the work they do for the price they get paid……….OK, I agree. So, stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay for their housing, health, schooling, and imprisonment. Stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay to unemployed Americans and………you guessed it – I’d be happy to have the unemployed American get paid more for that job and I’ll decide if I want to pay the extra money for the product. Odds are, I will because then I have a choice and I’ve got more money! As it is, I have none.
    Go ahead, ask me if I’d pay more for something “Made in the USA”……………..YOU BET!
    8. And….shooting coyotes from a snowmobile. If you laugh that the bill is so ridiculous, I bet you’re a city-slicker. (I know, in South Dakota, Heaven forbid.) Would love to change places with you a few times each year when you’d have to do something about your livestock that are being killed by coyotes. Guess what – they don’t hang around and say “I’m guilty, please shoot me.” Being able to shoot them from a snowmobile is a nobrainer. It saves the taxpayers money for government employees that would otherwise have to be hired to handle the matter and your produce costs less when the losses diminish.
    Now, tell me the bills are improperly written, are bad, won’t work, can’t be implemented…………then fix them! Make them say what we want and implement the laws and safeguards that we expect from you. Mere citizens are talking. They are learning. They are sharing their concerns. If Republicans don’t get things done, don’t turn things around, we will be voted out – not because of who you are as an individual but what you have represented as the Republican Party.
    You know, there are lots of things in the Bible that I do not understand. That’s where my faith in God comes in and I must choose to believe all of it or none of it. I don’t think God gives us a middle ground.
    While the South Dakota Republican Platform is NOT the Bible, it IS a guide written by the people of the Party to define what anyone using the “R” when they run for office should respect and promote. If not, make it VERY CLEAR to your constituents which planks you WILL NOT follow. Then, if you are voted in by them, you will be doing what is expected. If not, run with the “D”. Problem is, most voters are not so well informed, do not have the opportunity to meet you and find out who you really are and many are intimidated with politics. So, instead, they put their trust in people like me who help write and rewrite the Republican Platform to define who we want you to be. A few of you are embarrassing us.

  23. Troy Jones

    MC,

    Pretty accurate description except for the following at least from my perspective.

    “the next best thing is to attack those who compiled and published the report, along with their motives.”

    I don’t have a beef with anybody who wants prepare any scorecard to educate voters based on any reason they are so motivated. I do have three beefs though.

    1) What was measured: While these issues may be important matters (obviously to this group), I do disagree with the premise these are critical and important matters for which Republicans should be judged upon for adherence to the GOP platform (midwives, excusing kids from school, history standards, grandparent rights, custody matters, birthing centers, and hunting coyotes are 35% of the issues while taxes and spending are less than 25%).

    2) I don’t agree (a nameless group especially) can legitimately self-appoint themselves to assert both:

    a) The criteria most critical/defining to be loyal to the GOP platform. For instance, the bill that got one of the lowest % of GOP votes (doing a quick look as I didn’t count each vote separately. Just looked at the picture) according to this group’s definition of conforming to the platform was HB1235 (the Board of Regents Performance Improvement Fund to leverage grant funds from other sources for research infrastructure and improve student success and was a $1.5 million expenditure). This bill had a higher % of Dem’s who voted the supposed GOP position than the Republicans.

    b) Interpret what is meant by the GOP platform. This group determined this bill had was in violation to the planks reducing taxes and spending and diverting money from the state aid formula. It is wholly conceivable for a GOP legislator to support this bill under planks 4.1 (quality education) or 4.7 (post-secondary education making thus the opposite vote the more “Republican vote.”

    3) What was not included: A Republican scorecard should focus on the biggest issues important to Republicans (taxation, spending, business climate, jobs, and enumerated social issues) of significance. For instance, who made votes that held the line and enforced the 10% spending cuts, held the line on raising the sales tax etc. which are not even listed.

    Additionally, MC, I don’t think Representative Nelson asked LRC to select some bills to be determined as representative of political differences, compare votes on certain bills against the GOP platform, and then assess whether the legislators’ votes conformed to the GOP platform. If he did ask that (which I don’t think he did), it would be improper as LRC is not an arm of the Republican party nor are they to assess fidelity to any party platform.

    What I think (could be wrong) is Stace Nelson asked that Smoke-out votes be linked to the public record on that bill. Representative Nelson made his case on this forum (and maybe others) why he thinks this enhances public disclosure. I made a contrary case that a smoke-out vote can have motives other than the merits of the bill and thus linking the bill to a smoke-out vote would actually be misleading.

    I don’t want to re-debate my position or invite Representative Nelson to re-debate his position. I just want to set the record straight that I think what Representative Nelson asked LRC to do is not the same thing this group did.

    Representative Nelson, if my clarification is inaccurate, please correct it. My clarification is just to make it clear the two items (your request to LRC and this scorecard) appear at least to me to be unrelated.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Mr. Jones, you mix to different circumstances. You are partially right. One issue was all recorded votes on a bill should be made public. HB-1198 indicates it died in committee, it died on the House floor under a full vote on its fate.

      Second issue was my requesting research information from LRC to determine the feasability of putting comprehensive cumalative voting records of legislators & the legislature online.

      I do have two bills that I will be doing to require both.

      1. insomniac

        Stace,

        I personally like your little site. I’m curious about Rave. Nice voting record he has compiled.

        I could care less about who was behind it.

      2. anon

        Why even bring bills? You have no chance of passing anything. It will only be you, the Democrats, and a few right-wingers who are silly enough to still support you that will vote in favor of the bills.

        DOA in any committee they land in.

  24. Freedom Rocks

    Ah – This is better………..

    So, for all of your ranting about “who”, let’s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you’ll lose.

    Let’s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)

    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What’s that?….you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I’m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You’re either in or you’re out on this one.

    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let’s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I’ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.

    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not – understand what private property rights are. It’s a gift given the American people by God, don’t abuse it.

    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you’ll really remind me of President Obama. I’d not like that. If you knew me, you’d know that would be a bad idea.

    5. Then there is “ObamaCare”. What an embarrassment! How many Republican candidates came to our meetings, our coffees, our restaurants, our farms and promised to “get rid” of it? Well, duh…not only did you not even attempt to get rid of it ! you voted FOR government regulation and set the state up for ObamaCare when South Dakota is one of the states suing the Federal Government to kill it ?? Smoke and mirrors? Or just plain “no guts”. If you are a South Dakotan – take a stand, make a statement and act like one. We DID NOT HAVE to vote in 38 & 43 last year. OH, and why is it that 38 has no suicide clause in it????

    6. Sharia Law? Not politically correct? Tough. More smoke and mirrors! It IS what it IS. Sharia Law is NOT law for the United States of America. It is for Muslims! If Muslims want to live in this country – DEAL WITH IT – abide by our laws! They DO have a choice.

    Yes, I am getting a bit riled up!

    7. Illegal immigration – give it whatever politically correct name you wish. It is illegal! They ARE taking South Dakota jobs. You say “we” would never do the work they do for the price they get paid……….OK, I agree. So, stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay for their housing, health, schooling, and imprisonment. Stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay to unemployed Americans and………you guessed it – I’d be happy to have the unemployed American get paid more for that job and I’ll decide if I want to pay the extra money for the product. Odds are, I will because then I have a choice and I’ve got more money! As it is, I have none.

    Go ahead, ask me if I’d pay more for something “Made in the USA”……………..YOU BET!

    8. And….shooting coyotes from a snowmobile. If you laugh that the bill is so ridiculous, I bet you’re a city-slicker. (I know, in South Dakota, Heaven forbid.) Would love to change places with you a few times each year when you’d have to do something about your livestock that are being killed by coyotes. Guess what – they don’t hang around and say “I’m guilty, please shoot me.” Being able to shoot them from a snowmobile is a nobrainer. It saves the taxpayers money for government employees that would otherwise have to be hired to handle the matter and your produce costs less when the losses diminish.

    Now, tell me the bills are improperly written, are bad, won’t work, can’t be implemented…………then fix them! Make them say what we want and implement the laws and safeguards that we expect from you. Mere citizens are talking. They are learning. They are sharing their concerns. If Republicans don’t get things done, don’t turn things around, we will be voted out – not because of who you are as an individual but what you have represented as the Republican Party.

    You know, there are lots of things in the Bible that I do not understand. That’s where my faith in God comes in and I must choose to believe all of it or none of it. I don’t think God gives us a middle ground.

    While the South Dakota Republican Platform is NOT the Bible, it IS a guide written by the people of the Party to define what anyone using the “R” when they run for office should respect and promote. If not, make it VERY CLEAR to your constituents which planks you WILL NOT follow. Then, if you are voted in by them, you will be doing what is expected. If not, run with the “D”. Problem is, most voters are not so well informed, do not have the opportunity to meet you and find out who you really are and many are intimidated with politics. So, instead, they put their trust in people like me who help write and rewrite the Republican Platform to define who we want you to be. A few of you are embarrassing us.

  25. Anonymous

    People should be told ?I don?t want to please you, I want to tell you the truth.? Of all the diseases fought, the worst is bigotry?.

  26. Tea Party, 9/12er, libertarian, conservative, American

    Stace Nelson is a hero! He should run for Congress and show Noem what a real conservative is like.

    1. Anonymous

      Can you imagine if Stace was our representative he’d be commenting on blogs all day in DC. That would be really different from our current leader who can’t seem to remember she said she wanted to hold town halls.

        1. BF

          One whiff of his hot-shot attitude in DC and he would be given the smallest office in the building, in the basement, next to the boiler room.

          One light bulb hanging from the mold covered ceiling, an old manual typewriter with 5 sheets of paper, and a tin-can-on-a-string phone to an old cassette recorder in the Speakers office.

          His only committee appointment would be the one that approves which typeface should be used on the next postage stamp.

          And he would be consistently outvoted.

  27. Anonymous

    I have to ask. How does a NCIS agent who worked in spy stuff get caught putting together an anonymous website in politics? Shouldn’t he know how to hide that stuff?

  28. Freedom Rocks

    So, for all of your ranting about “who”, let’s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you’ll lose.
    Let’s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What’s that?….you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I’m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You’re either in or you’re out on this one.
    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let’s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I’ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.
    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not – understand what private property rights are. It’s a gift given the American people by God, don’t abuse it.
    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you’ll really remind me of President Obama. I’d not like that. If you knew me, you’d know that would be a bad idea.
    5. Then there is “ObamaCare”. What an embarrassment! How many Republican candidates came to our meetings, our coffees, our restaurants, our farms and promised to “get rid” of it? Well, duh…not only did you not even attempt to get rid of it ! you voted FOR government regulation and set the state up for ObamaCare when South Dakota is one of the states suing the Federal Government to kill it ?? Smoke and mirrors? Or just plain “no guts”. If you are a South Dakotan – take a stand, make a statement and act like one. We DID NOT HAVE to vote in 38 & 43 last year. OH, and why is it that 38 has no suicide clause in it????
    6. Sharia Law? Not politically correct? Tough. More smoke and mirrors! It IS what it IS. Sharia Law is NOT law for the United States of America. It is for Muslims! If Muslims want to live in this country – DEAL WITH IT – abide by our laws! They DO have a choice.
    Yes, I am getting a bit riled up!
    7. Illegal immigration – give it whatever politically correct name you wish. It is illegal! They ARE taking South Dakota jobs. You say “we” would never do the work they do for the price they get paid……….OK, I agree. So, stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay for their housing, health, schooling, and imprisonment. Stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay to unemployed Americans and………you guessed it – I’d be happy to have the unemployed American get paid more for that job and I’ll decide if I want to pay the extra money for the product. Odds are, I will because then I have a choice and I’ve got more money! As it is, I have none.
    Go ahead, ask me if I’d pay more for something “Made in the USA”……………..YOU BET!
    Continued……

  29. Freedom Rocks

    8. And….shooting coyotes from a snowmobile. If you laugh that the bill is so ridiculous, I bet you’re a city-slicker. (I know, in South Dakota, Heaven forbid.) Would love to change places with you a few times each year when you’d have to do something about your livestock that are being killed by coyotes. Guess what – they don’t hang around and say “I’m guilty, please shoot me.” Being able to shoot them from a snowmobile is a nobrainer. It saves the taxpayers money for government employees that would otherwise have to be hired to handle the matter and your produce costs less when the losses diminish.
    Now, tell me the bills are improperly written, are bad, won’t work, can’t be implemented…………then fix them! Make them say what we want and implement the laws and safeguards that we expect from you. Mere citizens are talking. They are learning. They are sharing their concerns. If Republicans don’t get things done, don’t turn things around, we will be voted out – not because of who you are as an individual but what you have represented as the Republican Party.
    You know, there are lots of things in the Bible that I do not understand. That’s where my faith in God comes in and I must choose to believe all of it or none of it. I don’t think God gives us a middle ground.
    While the South Dakota Republican Platform is NOT the Bible, it IS a guide written by the people of the Party to define what anyone using the “R” when they run for office should respect and promote. If not, make it VERY CLEAR to your constituents which planks you WILL NOT follow. Then, if you are voted in by them, you will be doing what is expected. If not, run with the “D”. Problem is, most voters are not so well informed, do not have the opportunity to meet you and find out who you really are and many are intimidated with politics. So, instead, they put their trust in people like me who help write and rewrite the Republican Platform to define who we want you to be. A few of you are embarrassing us.

  30. Freedom Rocks

    Part 1 ?
    So, for all of your ranting about ?who?, let?s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you?ll lose.
    Let?s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What?s that??.you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I?m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You?re either in or you?re out on this one.
    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let?s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I?ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.
    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not ? understand what private property rights are. It?s a gift given the American people by God, don?t abuse it.
    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you?ll really remind me of President Obama. I?d not like that. If you knew me, you?d know that would be a bad idea.

  31. Freedom Rocks

    Part 2 ?
    5. Then there is ?ObamaCare?. What an embarrassment! How many Republican candidates came to our meetings, our coffees, our restaurants, our farms and promised to ?get rid? of it? Well, duh?not only did you not even attempt to get rid of it ! you voted FOR government regulation and set the state up for ObamaCare when South Dakota is one of the states suing the Federal Government to kill it ?? Smoke and mirrors? Or just plain ?no guts?. If you are a South Dakotan ? take a stand, make a statement and act like one. We DID NOT HAVE to vote in 38 & 43 last year. OH, and why is it that 38 has no suicide clause in it????
    6. Sharia Law? Not politically correct? Tough. More smoke and mirrors! It IS what it IS. Sharia Law is NOT law for the United States of America. It is for Muslims! If Muslims want to live in this country ? DEAL WITH IT ? abide by our laws! They DO have a choice.
    Yes, I am getting a bit riled up!
    7. Illegal immigration ? give it whatever politically correct name you wish. It is illegal! They ARE taking South Dakota jobs. You say ?we? would never do the work they do for the price they get paid???.OK, I agree. So, stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay for their housing, health, schooling, and imprisonment. Stop taking money from me (taxes) to pay to unemployed Americans and???you guessed it ? I?d be happy to have the unemployed American get paid more for that job and I?ll decide if I want to pay the extra money for the product. Odds are, I will because then I have a choice and I?ve got more money! As it is, I have none.
    Go ahead, ask me if I?d pay more for something ?Made in the USA??????..YOU BET!
    Continued??

  32. Freedom Rocks

    Part 1.2?
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What?s that??.you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I?m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You?re either in or you?re out on this one.
    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let?s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I?ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.
    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not ? understand what private property rights are. It?s a gift given the American people by God, don?t abuse it.
    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you?ll really remind me of President Obama. I?d not like that. If you knew me, you?d know that would be a bad idea.

  33. Freedom Rocks

    Part 1.3 ?
    2. Do you really think people using their money to stay high on drugs should be funded by taxpayers? Then let?s do a split, you pay them YOUR money and I?ll help the others through Christian charity. You might want to encourage them just a little bit NOT to use drugs since you are really just enabling them.
    3. Do you feel conservation officers should have legal entry to private property WITHOUT permission or reasonable suspicion? If something bad is going down, go for it! If not ? understand what private property rights are. It?s a gift given the American people by God, don?t abuse it.
    4. The voters asked for no more taxes. If you tell me there is a difference between fees and taxes, you?ll really remind me of President Obama. I?d not like that. If you knew me, you?d know that would be a bad idea.

  34. Freedom Rocks

    Part 1 – ???
    So, for all of your ranting about ?who?, let?s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you?ll lose.
    Let?s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What?s that??.you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I?m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You?re either in or you?re out on this one.

  35. Freedom Rocks

    Come on – I left off the first paragraph! Let me post it, please!

    Let?s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following: (Sorry to leave you out of this one, Cory.)
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What?s that??.you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I?m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You?re either in or you?re out on this one.

  36. Freedom Rocks

    Part 1 ? ??? Come on – please let me finish it!
    So, for all of your ranting about ?who?, let?s get down to what you are really angry about or, is it really all about Stace Nelson? If you think you can silence or stop Stace Nelson at being on the side he thinks is right, you?ll lose.
    Let?s talk about how YOU (Republicans) feel about the following:
    1. Are you pro-life or are abortion lobbyists filling your pockets? What?s that??.you feel the woman should have a say in the case of rape or incest? Reread the Bible, I?m pretty sure God is the creator of those lives also. You?re either in or you?re out on this one.

  37. anon

    Just went and looked at this goofy website that Nelson put together.

    It ranks Angie Buhl and Larry Rhoden as being equally conservative…. Nuff said.