Gov places moratorium on Game Fish and Parks land aquisitions?

I’m getting reports that, at the Fall River County Lincoln Day Dinner tonight, Dusty Johnson said the Governor has put a moratorium on the Game Fish and Parks acquisition of land.

Has anyone else read or heard about this?

21 Replies to “Gov places moratorium on Game Fish and Parks land aquisitions?”

  1. SDREDSTONE

    That is old news and very disappointing. Too bad the Governor succumbed to pressure from the Betty Olson types. Funny he is going all out on using GFP money to purchase Blood Run though. If a family farmer has a slough with a little upland cover that he wants to sell to the state, too bad. Better to sell it to a big operator so he can plow it up and get a guaranteed income off of it courtesy of Uncle Sucker.

  2. Anonymous

    Good. Why should we be using state GFP money to take private land off the tax rolls? Of course private ownership is preferable.

    1. ron

      Perhaps you didn’t know that it doesn’t come off the tax rolls. Or perhaps you just choose to purposely mislead. Either way, you are wrong.

      1. Les

        There are exceptions to every rule but, taxes are the least of the problem with state ownership of land. The local economy drops a notch with every piece of the pie taken. Don’t tell me hunters return that, they arrive with everything but their gasoline to get back home with.

        It also forces the land prices higher creating an unnatural escalation of taxes and false wealth limiting the small family farmers ability and enhancing the above mentioned plow it all down operators.

        ron, you could bring me seed and help me fence and I’ll plant you a food plot for some of the best pheasant in SD. Of course most like my son figure “little red hen” should keep makin the bread.

        1. proud anon

          you hit it on the head Les. additionally, any property gf&p stops paying taxes. a government entity does not pay taxes, taxpayers do. gf&p simply funnels taxpayer dollars to cover the loss, but overall it is a net loss in tax revenue.

          watch out Les, gf&p is like the mafia. they have been known to go after legislators and private citizens that oppose its ever growing blob structure.

        2. Ron

          Les be serious. The little bit of land that GFP purchases has no effect on the price of land overall. You guys are like President Obama–set up a straw man that doesn’t exist but attempt to alarm everybody about him. How many acres have they purchased in the last 10 years in Brown County? None. And yet land values have almost tripled in that same period of time. And I think that you would get an argument from business owners about what hunters spend in Brown, Day, Marshall or any of the counties in the northeast.

          1. Les

            Mixing current land price moves with my comment is a straw man Ron. There was a large ranch taken out of Perkins County that had an effect though survivable, it sure had some effect on the prices around it. You are also right, taxes are paid by GF&P though generated by the use of private ground across the state.
            I will not deny economic effect of hunters, but, I’ve been retail most of my life and will guarantee, the majority does not support main street like the family farm. Again a straw man, it is private land in Brown, Day or Marshall that makes the economic statement if one is to be made.

            Are you a “sportsman”, or maybe a “hunter” Ron? I got no reply from my invite. Does your support of using taxpayers money to purchase land come from the right to hunt without personal obligations? I agree we need reliable places to hunt, how about we use those same dollars to initiate more programs opening the doors and enhancing the relationships with private ownership while not competing for their land?

            Proud Anon, Unlike some, I consider myself a friend of the SD GF&P. I cannot be more pleased with them listening to the sportsmen on the Lion quota. I am disappointed in the loss of a great biologist in that same area, but, still consider them friend!

            1. Ron

              Actually I am a landowner Les. I also know that thousands of hunters have as their only source of hunting ground public land. And don’t give me the BS about getting out and meeting the landowners. You and I both know that the amount of land available to hunt on has decreased dramatically. Further, with most land coming out of CRP and back into production, with trees being ripped out, and drain tile being installed everywhere, the need for this land will be ever greater. And you are dead wrong on private land bringing in hunters in Day, Marshall and Brown counties. Ask any motel, resort or cafe owner.

              1. Les

                You call it BS when a hunter tries to build relationships ron? Might be why thousands of hunters are looking for more public land to hunt.

                Relationships are everything, and that doesn’t mean starting them at 5AM opening day.

                I don’t disagree with much of what you say ron, but get rid of the attitude. We have very similar objectives, getting hunters into the field, yet you appear willing to burn every bridge on this post.

                I’ll admit I’m no expert on East River, but, along with the grasslands, our forefathers put all the state land out west(mostly Harding) giving our schools the hard pan and sand so East River has no great quantity of public land. I don’t understand how a motel, resort or cafe owner could tell me public land is where their profit is coming from? Please explain the percentages of public to private ground in those three counties.

                1. Ron

                  Les–I understand landowner relationships. I have hunted the same ranch in Harding County for over 20 years. But frankly, I suspect if I were to try and find a ranch to hunt out there now it would not turn out as well. Realistically, it is impossible for the regular guy to develop those types of relationships. Not to say he shouldn’t try, but the reality is very few have the time or the money to make repeated trips to Harding or Butte counties to knock on doors in the hopes of finding someone that will let them hunt in advance of season. So they rely on the public lands to hunt. And frankly, it is nearly impossible in pheasant country to get permission to hunt, especially earlier in the season. Come to Brown county and see how you do.
                  It is commendable that you allow folks to hunt. I also do that. But everybody has a limit on how many hunters they can allow access to. With more people removed from the land by several generations, it is harder and harder to make those contacts.
                  FYI, Marshall and Day counties have the most acres of public shooting areas in eastern part of the state. Between Federal Waterfown Production Areas and GPA’s owned by the state, there are 10’s of thousands of acres. Take a look at the Sportsman’s Atlas put out by the state. You will see that those two counties are loaded with public lands.

    2. grudznick

      Game and Fish should buy Lots More Land because Anon wants to charge me to hunt on his land after I pay for his farm rebates.

  3. Guthrie

    Daugaard announced this during the election two years ago. It is old news. He stated two exceptions: Blood Run and Tony Dean Acres.

    1. grudznick

      Hill property? Did Daugaard buy a hill?
      You might mean my friend Bill and his greenie friends who bought some place and then the feds bought it from them and annexed it into Wind Cave Park Monument.

      1. Public land

        Wasn’t there some property owned by a someone with the Last Name Hill, Hence… The Hill propery …thought it was next to angustora or something and it opened up a big area of access that was previously to remote for any type of use, but maybe I am off base on this.

  4. Charlie Hoffman

    Les here is an idea which you may like. What happens to our relationships between landowner and hunter; resident and non-resident, if the GF&P offered a fourth daily pheasant harvest for say $100. Take all that money and offer choice long term leases on private land putting in tall warm season grass and a small food plot in return for allowing public hunting? If half of all hunters take the fourth bird option we are talking nearly $10 Million. Knowing that the finest nesting cover and preferred big buck bedding on the planet is tall warm season grass we see three things happen immediately. Bird counts skyrocket, bucks get bigger, and the public has choice hunting spots negating the need for more publicly owned land.

  5. SDREDSTONE

    I think an easier thing to do instead of charging people more to shoot pheasants is end corn ethanol subsidies, enact sodsaver, cut subsidies to the federal crop insurance program, kill the prevent plant program and we might start to have rational land prices and planting decisions by farmers. But that would require our “conservative’ representatives to actually be conservatives. Never gonna happen.

    1. Les

      I have yet to charge any hunter Red. I have turned down few the opportunity to hunt my property. If you are not a member of NRA, Pheasants Forever, Ducks Unlimited etc, you don’t hunt my property unless you’ve shared my burdens of game production and gun ownership rights.

      I added some tall warm season grasses about 12 years ago in returning to a native state Charlie. We have buck quality not seen in our area prior, decent grouse, but our pheasant population doesn’t compete with what we had when farming was a part of the operations. Those 45 minute limits for groups day after day no longer exist. I will expand the size of food plots and gain some traction, but the Muley population will limit that.

      I don’t mind programs that help to guarantee our residents hunting ground Charlie, that is a growing problem the right relationships can help minimize.

  6. Charlie Hoffman

    Les down in that Pierre country they say the winter wheat produces more nests than anything else. Your production ag theory holds water there for sure but in areas in and around Iowa I’d bet the production ag wipes out more pheasants than it produces. Skunks, raccoons, fox, and feral cats do more damage than we would believe. They are all on my year long hit list.