Is it Christian to act like a Jackass?

As the dust has settled over the last couple of days, following the dust-up that South Dakota Gun Owners Lobbyist Zack Lautenschlager had with attendees of the Family Heritage Alliance Luncheon, it has been one of THE topics of conversation among GOP politicos.

If you recall, after coming in a side door, Zach was distributing flyers at an event, featuring the Governor speaking a luncheon, where Zach was not invited to distribute material at, and he ended up provoking a confrontation where the police had to be called.

One of the lines of thought that’s been discussed was the question of how Zach’s confederate, former Gubernatorial Candidate Gordon Howie, was going to react. Most observers thought that Gordon would distance himself from Lautenschlager, as Howie’s political activity has been strongly faith based, and the group that suffered Zach’s bad manners is one of if not the State’s most significant and influential Christian family organizations.

Most people expressed to me that they believed that Howie would be going “Nope, not me. Nothing to do with me… Who is that Zach person?”, as Howie’s interest in running for office again has been thinly veiled, if at all.

Well, leave it to Gordon to prove everyone wrong again, as he writes this morning to actually criticize the Family Heritage Alliance for what Zach did:

How rude!!! But wait? didn?t the same thing happen recently at the Liberty Lunch?? Yes it did. Post cards promoting the Governors appearance at the FHA luncheon were distributed, even though they were not approved, and the sponsors of the Liberty Lunch are not supporters of much of the Governor?s performance.

The response to these unwelcome postcards at the Liberty Lunch, however, did not produce action similar to that at the Governors appearance.

The cards were not snatched from the hands of the recipients, no public disclaimer was announced, no television news cameras were called (our own were already there), no name-calling-accusation-making statements were made, no one was asked to leave and the police were not called. There were citizens carrying guns (both open and concealed), yet no one was fearful. People who were in attendance believe the 2nd amendment means what it says, and they are comfortable with it.

So, what is all the fuss? Some fliers were distributed at the Governors meeting that were factually accurate, and challenged the Governors obvious willingness to compromise issues of faith in favor of political expedience.

The most embarrassing incident was that a faith-based organization would object to the Governor being challenged for his compromise on faith issues.

Read it here.

Leave it to Gordon to confound those who would anticipate he would observe common sense. Instead of criticizing Lautenschlager for his actions, he’s calling out the organization who had their event crashed and turned into a melee.

It’s the equivalent of telling a sexual assault victim that “she asked for it.” Except in this case, it’s one of the State’s largest faith based organizations.

Folks, Zach’s behavior wasn’t Christian at all. It was purely a selfish, attention demanding political ploy which had no place at someone else’s event, as he made efforts to specifically provoke a confrontation. Gordon Howie’s reaction is equally lacking of Christian principles if he can’t recognize that it’s not the host’s fault and guests shouldn’t start a ruckus.

76 Replies to “Is it Christian to act like a Jackass?”

  1. Bob Ellis

    I don’t agree with the way Zach went about this, and he and I have discussed this.

    However, at the same time, I’m a little concerned with the possibility that people might be given the impression, in the potential absence of accountability, that Christians (or conservatives, or Republicans, for that matter) are okay with a governor who talks out of one side of his mouth while behaving in exactly the opposite way, who sells out our freedom for a paltry $6.9 million in federal taxpayer-funded largess, who supports people who vote against Republican/Christian/conservative values and agenda items.

    Maybe your problem is that you’ve come to believe the lie that Jesus Christ was a “wuss Christ,” the sissified pushover that liberals want everyone to believe he is. You might want to read Matthew chapter 23, or John chapter 2, or Acts chapter 7, or Galatians chapter 2 if you’ve bought that lie. Jesus was no pathetic pushover, and neither should his followers be.

    People know that Republicans, conservatives, and Christians still stand for something, that we aren’t willing to just go along with a rotten agenda just to please the crowd or be thought of as a “good guy.” People need to know that principle still counts for something, and betrayal of principle still carries a price.

    Big government socialism is NOT a Republican, conservative or Christian value.

    Supporting the homosexual agenda is NOT a Republican, conservative or Christian value.

    Supporting abortion and refusal to protect innocent human life is NOT a Republican, conservative or Christian value.

    Supporting law-breaking and resisting efforts to uphold the law is NOT a Republican, conservative or Christian value.

    Refusing to protect the interest and freedom of the people is NOT a Republican, conservative or Christian value.

    Supporting those who support these anti-Republican, anti-conservative and anti-Christian positions is NOT Republican, conservative or Christian.

    As Martin Luther King Jr said, “He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ”

    You should be ashamed of yourself for having coddled, whitewashed, made excuses for and run interference for evil and those who accommodate evil. I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect you’re too deep in bed with liberals and liberalism to feel the shame that you should, though.

    Maybe you’re comfortable passively accepting evil, but I’m not, and neither are many other people.

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    1. John Carter

      Thanks Bob for giving the readers a different perspective from the resident GOP apologist.

      As usual the liberal tactic of “attacking the messenger” is being used instead of discussing the fact that the Governor sided with one or more candidates in the primary who openly support the GLBT life-style and have sponsored and supported resolutions that back abortion as a “woman’s reproductive right”.

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    2. PP at the SDWC

      Bob, a quote for you here, which I believe Gordon used recently when compiling one of his scorecards:

      “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.”
      – Ronald Reagan

      Do you really believe any of those things that Zach was saying about the gov? I don’t. In the primaries I believe he supported those who supported him, not because he was attempting to promote some “homosexual agenda.” And I believe the governor is both a fiscal and social conservative.

      The Governor has and continues to promote a conservative stance to governing, despite you and Gordon trying to label him a RINO. Sorry, but that belies that you both have an agenda, and are not interested in an honest assessment. He’s cut spending and government, and among other things he just dismantled South Dakota’s pending insurance exchange. For crying out loud, what else do you want?

      (This is coming from someone who supported someone else in that primary.) As a conservative, Governor Daugaard has earned my trust, and my support. If he can’t meet your’s or Gordon’s standards, then I suspect your standards aren’t standards at all, but fall into the realm of blind zealotry.

      I might not agree with the people or the viewpoints my friends choose to support from time to time – but that does not make them my enemy. If you keep declaring people a RINO or an enemy for those reasons, you will soon find yourself very alone.

      I read recently from another website another applicable quote- “Fair people don’t have a problem with healthy disagreements, but undermining committed conservatives is also suspicious.”

      Amen.

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      1. Bob Ellis

        I think you need to re-read what I said; you seem to have missed over 90% of it.

        You don’t sell out several critical and fundamental Republican principles (even if you appreciate the fact that a liberal did you a solid) and get a pass for getting cozy with evil. People who sell out freedom (even if they conveniently “change their mind” later on), the Constitution, the family, innocent human life, and the taxpayers…these folks aren’t even close to 80% Republicans. They’d make great Democrats, though.

        I’ll leave you with one more quote for the road–one you and your RINO friends would rather ignore: “We don?t intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the party over to the so-called moderates wouldn?t make any sense at all.”

        And as MLKJr alluded to, think about what you’re doing.

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        1. PP at the SDWC Post author

          “Cozy with evil?” Bob, again, with statements like that, you give the impression that your standards aren?t standards at all, but fall into the realm of blind zealotry.

          Elections are about addition, not the subtraction you would advocate. All the “RINO talk” you spout accomplishes is to convince reasonable people who might be with us that Republicans are more about burning heretics than the party of Lincoln governing from conservative principles.

          The only thing that will come from advocating division and the subtraction of those who agree with only 80% of the party platform will be that the GOP is in the minority.

          If you’re trying to change the hearts and minds of those that disagree, it’s better to be convincing by leadership, character, and by the strength of one’s argument to prove one’s point, than to demand “burn the RINO.”

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          1. Bob Ellis

            Maybe you’re so cozy with evil that you aren’t even able to acknowledge that subverting people’s freedom is evil, that undermining protection of innocent human life is evil, that undermining marriage and family are evil, that supporting those who attack these things are evil, and that trying to deceive people about your coziness with evil is itself evil. Frankly, you sound more like a Godless Democrat than a Republican, which sadly isn’t surprising at all.

            Elections are indeed about addition, about adding people onto what is right. When you add evil to what is good, you don’t get more good, you get less good…so it is your compromising agenda that is subtracting from the Republican agenda. Try mixing a little dirt with your water, and see if you have more drinkable water or less drinkable water, or mix some rotted meat with your fresh ground beef and find out whether you have engaged in addition or subtraction at the end of the day.

            Further, as average people see less and less of a distinction between the party of tyranny and immorality on the Left, and what was once the party of freedom and virtue on the right…more and more of them tune out and give up. Yet again, it is YOU, the betrayers of Republican values (you should look them up sometime, they’re in the GOP platform–you RINOs act like they can’t be found anywhere on the planet). You’d better pull your head out and work with us to turn things around, before the public completely loses all confidence whatsoever in the Republican brand. Pepsi that tastes like Mr Pibb doesn’t help consumer confidence in the Pepsi brand; pretty soon, people will quit buying it altogether in favor of something where they can at least trust the label.

            Plainly, it is YOU and your RINO friends who are dividing the Republican Party. We who believe in and uphold Republican values and the Republican agenda–we haven’t gone anywhere. You who flirt with liberalism and defend those who do–you’re the ones who have left the path and are dividing the party. Do us all the favor and at least have the guts to own up to the fact that YOU are the problem, not those who expect Republicans to act like Republicans.

            If you aren’t willing to uphold Republican values, you don’t deserve to call yourself a Republican or be known as a Republican. And if you want to be a leader in the Republican Party–as elected officials are, by default–you ought to be willing to uphold the Republican agenda, or at the very least not work against it.

            Frankly, I expect better of the pathetic examples of “Republicans” we have right now. Your standards are too low–way, way too low. You wouldn’t think much of a MADD leader who drove while bar hopping. You wouldn’t think much of a church leader who was a serial adulterer or cheated business associates. Why are you willing to condone Republicans who act like Democrats–especially when these people aspire to be the leaders of our party???

            It’s really quite simple: if you aren’t willing to play by the playbook, you don’t deserve to be on the team.

            Nobody wants to “burn the RINO.” We want the RINO to act like an elephant and be an elephant. That isn’t too much to ask.

            Please, for the sake of us all, get with the program and set your standards higher. Expect better of those who aspire to lead our party.

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            1. Annon

              “If you aren?t willing to uphold Republican values, you don?t deserve to call yourself a Republican or be known as a Republican.” And if you are not acting like a Christian (in a Christ like manner) you don’t deserve to call youself a Christian or be know as a Christian.

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            2. PP at the SDWC

              Again with the “evil” Bob? Between that and complaining about a “wuss jesus” view of christianity, YOU sound more like Tomás de Torquemada than someone trying to convince voters that the GOP can provide better leadership than the alternative.

              The party platform is not absolute. It’s not the word of God. I’ve watched it change over the years, and it will continue changing after we’ve all been planted into the ground.

              It used to be that it would be passed every two years, and then ignored. At least nowadays more attention is paid to it, but A demand of blind adherence to it is silliness.

              If a flurry of anti-death penalty delegates or pro-choice delegates are elected, and place those planks in the platform, are you going to demand unwavering adherence to it then? Are going to taunt “if you aren?t willing to play by the playbook, you don?t deserve to be on the team” then? Of course not.

              Better for it to provide guidance than for it to serve as a litmus test.

              Bob, you can be much better than that. It’s more productive to inspire others to do the right thing, than to say “off with the RINO’s heads.”

              Be a leader, not an inquisitor.

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              1. Bob Ellis

                I believe all your feeble protests against what you know is right has been debunked several times today. You obviously just aren’t interested in expecting better of yourself or others in the party. That’s your choice, and it’ll be on your head if you succeed in making it a worthless mirror image of the Democrat Party. But you can’t say no one tried to help you.

                And I’m betting on the virtue of the people, that most folks have about had a belly-full of this cowardly milquetoast accommodation of the other party’s agenda, and that we’ll succeed in bringing the Republican Party back to its roots and values despite your divisiveness.

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                1. PP at the SDWC

                  And Bob, I believe you’ve managed to paint yourself into a corner, and not a particularly flattering one.

                  When you speak of divisiveness, it must be a Freudian slip, as you yourself are the one demanding impossible purity tests.

                  Go ahead and continue to call people evil, and RINO. While you do that, I’m going to continue to do my best to elect Republicans.

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                  1. Bob Ellis

                    No, you see, I explained that it was those who compromise and undermine Republican values who are dividing the party. I don’t believe Republicans would make an “impossible” platform, and neither do you. You’re just more loyal to your buddies than you are to the values of your party.

                    Like a rebellious reprobate, you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth and get yourself right.

                    May the God you think so little of have mercy on us all.

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                    1. PP at the SDWC

                      Bob, do you not understand that the platform is transitory? It is subject to change and the whim of the moment. God have mercy on you if you treat it as an absolute.

                2. Smitty

                  As a democrat outsider looking in…it seems to me we have two competing definitions of republican. The definition put forth by PP, the gov, and etc is as follows: “registered republicans who win elections.” The definition that Ellis an his ilk put forth would be closer to those who don’t win statewide elections and make the first group a little embarrassed as they roll their eyes.

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          2. Anonymous

            PP, do you think the current people you support as Republicans, would have supported Lincoln’s fight against slavery? If these “Republicans” voted 80% of the time with Republican principles, this whole discussion would be moot.

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    3. KC Bunch

      Please read comment posted below! No…Jesus was no “mambi-pambi” soft shoe…and the Governor WAS held accountable…but Jesus did not advocate butchering the men who crucified Him…He said “Father, forgive them, because they don’t know what they are doing”! Jesus did not tolerate evil, but He also didn’t take up a political platform to ruin the men in governmental authority over Him. And No…Jesus did not embrace or coddle to ANYone with an agenda…not even His closest friends. He lead and taught by example that it wasn’t the government that was the problem…it was the RELIGIOUS leadership of the people, their priests and pastors, that had gone soft in teaching God’s principles and His ways to His people and He held THEM in contempt, not the government. We all should take a lesson in remembering that God really is in control and that He turns the heads of kings and princes as He wills. Hold the Governor accountable, yes! But try to have a little respect for him, yourself, and your God when representin’ ! Jesus anger and harsh words were not delivered to the territorial magistrate, but to those who made His Father’s house a den of thieves and the men who were supposed to lead His Father’s people in the ways of righteousness and instead created positions and names for themselves while they burdened God’s people with the weight of the Law without hope.
      We should all be careful to follow the example of Christ in these matters and deal with respect and kindness those who would seem to oppose us. As Christians, our agenda should be God’s provocative mission statement to us, “For He has given us the ministry of reconciliation…”. Which one of us posting on this blog or any other can say that we went PERSONALLY to the Governor and questioned his decisions? Who spoke to him to find out where and why he strayed from his commitment to life and marriage? And which one tried to help him and personally pray for him, one on one, to make better choices in the future (“you who are godly restore such a one”)? Or do we just hide behind the blog post and gripe and swear? Do we just spew guile and malice without regard to even our own witness to the world?
      I can tell you that I personally know one man who has honestly PERSONALLY gone to the Governor and challenged him, and questioned him, AND prayed WITH him and that’s Dale Bartscher! And c’mon folks, it’s not like you can’t gain the opportunity to do that yourself…this is South Dakota for cryin’ in the rain! If you want an appointment with the Governor, you really CAN get one!
      So then we have only ourselves to blame if we do not take up the scriptural mandate to pray for those in positions of authority over us and for those in our government, as Paul directed us to do. And we have only ourselves to blame if we do not PERSONALLY take up matters with our brother, the Governor, if we have something against him ( Matt 18).
      Soooo…unknot your sock-garters and try a little kindness…you attract more bees with honey than with vinegar!

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  2. PNR

    I hear what folks like Ellis are saying, but I’m not seeing where it matches up with reality. What I get is a demand for absolute purity of doctrine and action from a politician.

    Right. That ain’t happening. Not from any of ’em – not even Ellis. So, cool your jets, pay attention to the trend line and where folks are moving it, and don’t gut your ally in the middle of the fight just because he isn’t your ideological clone.

    As for the titular question of this post, I point to Numbers 22 – the first, but certainly not the last, instance in which the Lord spoke through the mouth of an ass.

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  3. Anonymous

    It is unfortunate that the Governor and his inner-circle cannot see that their actions of endorsing ultra-liberal (pro-choice and anti-family) republicans in the primary is going to result in deep, long-term divisions in the SD GOP if they do not take active efforts to bridge-the-gap with conservatives. The arrogance of the endorsements is obviously persisting. At this point, all we can do is pray that the left of the GOP will wake up and make efforts of inclusion. Otherwise, Romney will not be the only moderate casualty of Obama’s policies and politics.

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  4. Anonymous

    The left of the GOP is only able to stay in power in SD by continuing the charade that they are conservative. When that fascade is threatened, they have shown they react just like the Obama left. It is not about Republican values to them so they have no concerns about damaging the SDGOP as it is only their own political aspirations that matter.

    Scary when people promote blind support of “party” or a figurehead over principles. History shows that such actions always prove destructive for the people.

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  5. Steve Hickey

    Love the headline.

    I?ve tried to say similar things this past year or so- saying the tactics of some Christian political activists in our state are hardly Christian at all. My contention is simply that we lose if we aren’t winsome.

    Remember the old George Burns movie “Oh God” — I’m reminded of the scene where John Denver’s character interrupted the preacher’s sermon to share a message from God (Burns): “God wants you to shut up because you’re embarrassing him.” On the occasions when I’ve embarrassed him that scene comes back to mind.

    The issue is: can we be civil? – and for those who plaster “CHRISTIAN Conservative Caucus” on their literature and event flyers the bar is raised very high because it very much matters that we treat even enemies like Jesus treated enemies. It’s not compromising to be courteous or kind, it’s actually disarming. In Acts 19:37 it’s interesting that Paul preached Jesus in Ephesus but he “didn’t blaspheme the goddess.” Maybe there is a way to lift Jesus up (and righteousness) without tearing others down.

    Apparently Zach ignored all his mother taught him about basic manners and he handed out a flyer saying the governor supports pro-gay politicians. Those behind it insinuate that the fact that it is “true” justifies any and all deplorable tactics to get that message out. It doesn’t. But is it even true? No, it’s not – oh you could spin it to be half-true but Christians shouldn’t go there and we don’t need to stoop to the level of half-truths, false or unfair accusations and misrepresentations. My interpretation of the Governors support was more that he was anti-Lora, not that he was in any way pro-gay.

    Zach should have raised his hand and in a courteous way asked the governor…. “Hey Gov, we are a pro-traditional family group and in a couple of your primary endorsements it looks like you are supporting the other team?” I’m confident the majority of the people in that room would have come away with no doubt where the governor stands on those issues even if they disagree with his endorsements or the rationale behind them.

    The lesson here for Christians who want to influence public policy is to be reasonable and respectable, or be marginalized.

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    1. Anonymous

      I really liked the headline, too, as I thought it meant: “Is it Christian to act like a (democrat).” For some reason, I don’t think that is what Hickey was thinking it said.

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    2. Jonesy

      Thank you for your very reasonable comments. I was at the luncheon, and there were two tough socially conservatives questions put to the governor; it wasn’t like they were tip-toe around him. A good argument involves common courtesy and a civil exchange of relevant facts; one can be assertive without being rude. The kind of tactics used by Zach are unproductive and uncalled for.

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  6. charlie hoffman/blackberried

    Terrific Hickey! Your words double down from a pastors perspective and coming from inside the Capital-Way.

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  7. Anonymous

    I believe there are degrees to everything. If Ellis et al are as concerned with abortion, gay marriage, 2nd amendment, government health care and such, as I believe they are, I wish they would turn their attention to Tim Johnson and Matt Varilek and the looming candidacies of Brendon Johnson and Stephanie Herseth. Their proclivities are indisputable. Once they’ve been vanquished at the ballot box, then turn your attention to those who don’t meet your 100-percent test.

    When’s the last time you wrote a letter to the editor about them? When’s the last time you worked a GOTV effort? Primaries are your time to get your candidates in. Don’t burn down the house now to save your Howie.

    Ellis will bitch and moan and tear apart Mitt Romney and then lament how he couldn’t beat Obama. Meanwhile, he will have done nothing to help.

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  8. grudznick

    Mr. Howie became insane during the last gubernatorial primary. The Conservatives with Common Sense originally endorsed him before the insaneness. He has had his membership revoked.

    Mr. Ellis wanted to be a member but was denied because he is not a Conservative with Common Sense.

    Young Mr. Zach is probably just misled. His wife Amy is a nice person and will get him straightened up and flying right.

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  9. Bob Ellis

    This exchange has been very enlightening an illustrative (for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, that is). I was pretty sure of it before, but all that you have said makes the truth crystal clear.

    It’s not so much that you are against the Republican agenda and values; it’s rather that you care more about what people think of you, and are more loyal to your friends, than you are loyal to Republican values and the Republican agenda. This may well be the case with Gov. Daugaard also.

    While there are some RINOs who genuinely hold key elements of Republican values in disdain, this is not exactly true of some other RINOs. Some are just more loyal to their buddies–whether those buddies support the party’s values and agenda or not–than they are to their own party’s values.

    Put simply, Republican values take a back seat to buddy loyalty…and apparently so do God’s values (Matthew 10:37, Luke 14:26) That’s not leadership; that’s shallow cronyism.

    Sorry, we the people expect better, deserve better, and we’re going to insist on better.

    Again, the choice is up to you but I think you’re capable of better than cronyism and going along with the “in” crowd, Pat. I hope you’ll change your mind.

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    1. Anonymous

      Well said. Principles over pragmatic politics. Sad thst it is such a novel idea.

      America is imploding and the SDGOP is offering SD’s versions of Obama light political personalities, instead of principled leadership.

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      1. Bob Ellis

        No, I don’t criticize conservatives, only liberals. That’s the whole point. Only a liberal would fail to realize that…as well as fail to realize that the Southern Poverty Law Center is an anti-conservative liberal hate group.

        Thanks for once again proving my points.

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        1. anon

          problem is, Bob, you don’t get to decide who’s conservative and who’s liberal.

          Your definition of conservative will never be accepted by the mainstream public. Therefore, your jihad will never be won.

          If you were more accepting of ideas other than your narrow viewpoint, you might actually get something accomplished in helping more people with generally conservative views get elected over those with generally conservative views…

          You’re trying to promote an extremist viewpoint…over the long haul, that never works.

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          1. Bob Ellis

            No, I don’t “get to decide.” It’s already been decided. Virtually everyone knows what conservative positions are and what liberal ones are. They are well documented, almost as well as what Republican positions are.

            The problem is, you buffet-style “Republicans” like to take a few Republican/conservative positions that are convenient and advance your personal agenda, but the ones that the “in crowd” of your liberal buddies laugh at, you quicky abandon those.

            Sorry, YOU don’t get to define “Republican” or “conservative” either. They are already well defined. You just don’t like the actual definition, and insist that everyone else accept your watered-down version that suits your low expectations.

            Again, you make it painfully evident that you are more interested in what the “in crowd” thinks than in living up to the actual definition, of actually doing the heaving lifting of BEING a conservative or a Republican.

            You should take the time to actually look up what Republican and conservative valus are. These are the same values our founders had, and upon which our great country was built. If they are “extremist,” then so be it, because America is “extremely” the best country in the entire world throughout all of history. If you call yourself a Republican, it’s truly pathetic that you would call the values of your chosen party “extremist.”

            Again, if you refuse to play by the team’s playbook, you don’t deserve to be on the team.

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      2. Jammer

        Actually being attacked by the Southern Poverty Law Center has almost become a badge of honor for true conservatives. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a far left progressive organization that attacks anyone who opposes the left’s favored causes. Therefore, any true conservative that stands up for conservative principles and values risks being labeled a hate group by this far left progressive organization.

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/southern_poverty_law_centers_lucrative_hate_group_label.html

        http://www.humanevents.com/2011/07/28/isnt-the-southern-poverty-law-center-the-real-hate-group-2/

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    2. Anonymous

      For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

      Matthew 7:2

      Mr. Ellis’ day of reckoning is coming.

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      1. Bob Ellis

        Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? – 1 Corinthians 6:2

        I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. – 1 Corinthians 10:15

        We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. – 2 Corinthians 10:5

        When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for [a] his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. – Ezekiel 3:18

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        1. Rambo Jesus

          “You know what you are… what you’re made of. War is in your blood. Don’t fight it. You didn’t kill for your country. You killed for yourself. God’s never gonna make that go away. When you’re pushed, killing’s as easy as breathing.

          Amen.”

          – Rambo Jesus, 2008

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  10. Sunday School

    Is Bob a pastor? I’d like to see him in a preacher on preacher contest against Steve Hickey. Because I think Hickey seems to preach about Jesus, and Bob seems to preach about something other than Jesus.

    In Catholic School, my priest would say that “God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him? (1 John 4:16). He didn’t teach us anything about “Rambo Jesus” or “wuss Christ.” That appears to be a construct of someone using the Lord to justify something, whether it’s politics or just being angry.

    God didn’t preach about Republicans or Democrats.

    Bob thinks he has the Jesus endorsement to win his political races, and the truth is that Jesus has no interest in playing political games.

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    1. Bob Ellis

      Sounds like liberals have been preaching wuss-Jesus to you, the one who doesn’t really mean what he said about holiness, evil, doing what is right and avoiding what is wrong.

      You need to get into the Bible and meet the real Jesus–the one who created the universe and everything in it, the one who is holy and sinless, the one who expects you and I and everyone else to strive to obey his standard, the one who expects you to worry more about what he thinks than what your friends think (Matthew 10:37, Luke 14:26) , the one without whom each individual and our entire world is lost.

      Don’t follow this little-Jesus fake God that liberals are selling you. Follow the real one, and though your friends might make fun of you, you’ll never be disappointed.

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      1. Anonymous

        Bob, do your friends make fun of you? Because you seem prideful, and a little off balance. I’m sure Pastor Hickey could set you straight on who Jesus really is.

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        1. Anonymous

          Pastor Steve believes he is the most Holy Apostle sent from God (read his book). Bob is a humble sinner who takes on no such airs.

          Jesus hung out with humble worthless sinners like Bob, when He walked the earth.. Not those that mocked Him or thought they were above everyone else.

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  11. Anonymous

    Not only do I not think it is kind to act like a “jackass” I also do not think it is kind to support someone who is rude.

    I hope Stace and Gordon disapprove of this behavior instead of encourage it.

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  12. Troy Jones

    I care what my Lord, family and close friends know (not think) about me. I will stand for what I understand to be Good, True, and Beautiful. And, my eyes and ears work just fine. Of course, sometimes my fallenness and sin gets in the way which is humbling. But, humility is good.

    The conduct of this person needs to be admonished without any rationalization. You do not go in another’s house and disrupt with the “truth” or lies. Period.

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  13. Bob Ellis

    Some of you have made mocking references to a “Rambo Jesus” when I pointed out that Jesus Christ is no wimp who doesn’t mean what he says, not a weak-willed “moderate” who doesn’t expect us to follow his standard.

    While you meant “Rambo Jesus” in mockery, you were actually closer to the way Jesus will someday behave than you realize. You see, while he came to the earth the first time as a lamb to the slaughter (to pay for our sins), he will someday return to issue justice on all who have refused to obey. Just as Jesus was gentle with those who recognized their need for him and harsh with those who self-righteously substituted the “wisdom” and traditions of men for God’s standard, so he will someday fully reveal the side of himself that is holy and just.

    Yes, Jesus is love…but he is also holy, and is a warrior.
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    Matthew 10:34 ?Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

    Luke 22:36 He said to them, ?But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don?t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

    Matthew 25:30-32 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.? 31 ?When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”

    Matthew 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ?I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!?

    Revelation 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.

    Revelation 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. ?He will rule them with an iron scepter.?[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, ?Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.? 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

    Ephesians 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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    Sorry, no wuss-Christ to be found in the Bible, and no wuss-followers among his disciples.

    Don’t follow the liberals’ false god wuss-Jesus. Follow the real Jesus, quit worrying about what your politically correct buddies think of you, and stand for what is right.

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    1. Anonymous

      I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagles wings, and singin’ lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I’m in the front row and I’m hammered drunk!

      -Cal Naughton Jr.-
      Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby

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    2. Anonymous

      I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-shirt. ‘Cause it says like, I wanna be formal but I?m here to party too. I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.

      -Cal Naughton Jr.-
      Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby

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    3. Fleming

      This is what happens to the human mind when one devotes an entire lifetime to forcing oneself (and others) to believe in talking snakes.

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  14. Anon

    Dear Lord Baby Jesus, lying there in your…your little ghost manger, lookin’ at your Baby Einstein developmental…videos, learnin’ ’bout shapes and colors…

    Dear Lord Baby Jesus, we’d also like to thank you for my wife?s father Chip. We hope that you can use your baby Jesus powers to heal him and his horrible leg. It smells terrible and the dogs are always bothering with it…

    Ricky Bobby
    Talladega Nights

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    1. Anonymous

      Bob rightly points out that when Lord Jesus returns, He will not be the gentle, patient, Rabbi.

      Remember, His anger in the Bible was not directed against humble sinners like Bob, but the lawyers and money changers in the temple. Mock all you want, your day of reckoning will not be a joyous occasion.

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  15. Lawmaker

    Interesting right wing comments. Gordo seems comfortable with his statements that his “movement” did not cry when a professional postcard was delivered to his audience reminding them about an upcoming planned luncheon. Big difference both in substance and in the delivery. The FHA event is a solid organization of Faith based community leaders who do not support the in your face approach that Gordo supports. Hope that all your team of 8 1/2 loyalists encourage your continued negative demeanor. When was the last time you had the team of Ellis and Gordo say anything positive.

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      1. Lawmaker

        Not sure how you could have dreamed up that statement from the brief comments that I made. Based on my comments I can only assume that you are one of the 8 and a half supporters of the Gordo Movement. God Bless you and best wishes with that.

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  16. Anonymous

    The real question is, can a Jackass be a Christian? By the looks of the posts in reply to Bob.. not likely.

    No apologies needed Mr. Ellis, the reports are there is going to be a shortage of bacon anyways.

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  17. KC Bunch

    I am pasting here the comments that I posted on the Life and Liberty website “News In Faith” as I am pretty sure it won’t get published there and it just might have a chance here. Some of the comments were posted by men that, at one point in time, I thought were godly men…sad to see them in this light…The only with any TRUE wisdom was the one person who asked for God to give it to us in her post! Here ya go:

    “OUCH!!! WOW!!! In Jesus’ prayer in the Garden just hours before He was to stand trial and die, His words to His Father reflect the heart He had for each one of us who call ourselves “Christian”. He said, “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me”. John 17:20 & 21 So, the witness to the rest of the world that Jesus was indeed the Son of God and sent by Him was the demonstration of our love for each other. Hmmmm…what would that kind of love look like? Would it look like the malicious and cutting remarks that we see on this page out of all but Ms. Clegg? Would it look like the foul attitude and language we see coming from a man who was once brought to his current position by the ill-treatment and ill-gotten gain and malignment of his tender-hearted brother in Christ? Would I want to vote for a man who would be so crass as to post inflammatory and gilded comments about the first governor we’ve had in ages to address and win the toughest issues to come into law in the past 40 years? Someone who will not respect the office and the legitimate choice of the people when another man holds that office could be a man who would not have respect for it enough not to mis-use it himself, should he ever attain it and could himself be one who has no regard for the choice of the people who placed him there. BUT…what does that “love” that Christians are always talking about REALLY look like? “Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good.Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other…Live in harmony with each other…And don’t think you know it all!…Never pay back evil with more evil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone.” Rom 12:10 & 11; 16-18.
    Did our good Governor make a mistake in some of his choices? Most assuredly and even admittedly by the Governor himself. Will he do it again? He says he learned his lesson and he will not do it again. Should he be held accountable for his actions? Absolutely! Should he be publicly flogged with our words for his misdeed? NEVER! Again with that Christian “love” we’re said to possess…”Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ.If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important”. Gal 6:1-3
    So…if we call ourselves “Christians”, ladies and gentlemen, and we behave in any manner that is not honorable towards others, ESPECIALLY those “others” that call themselves “Christians” also,then we mock the very fabric of our faith, our very salvation and witness to the rest of the world! We might as well have spit in Jesus’ face ourselves and plucked His beard out with our bare hands as to behave in such a DIS-graceful way (where did you think that term came from, anyway?) in the public eye as I have observed on this and other blogs where they pertain to the FHA luncheon, the Governor, Mr. Howie, and Mr. Lautenschlager. If you wish to speak and act towards each other in this reprehensible manner, at least leave out the parts about considering yourselves Christians when you do it…so as not to give the rest of us your less-than-Christ-like witness. If you truly do profess Christ, why not come alongside the Governor and with “kindness and gentleness” restore him to what he needs to be to fulfill the role GOD has placed him in? If you truly love the Lord God more than you love yourself, why not pursue these matters as true men and women of God should, by “making every effort to respond to God’s promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge,and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness,and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone. The more you grow like this, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” 2 Pet.1:4-9
    I just have to say, I am sorely disappointed in those I see here that I thought were more mature than to do anything other than respond biblically…”Behold how good and pleasant it is when the brethren dwell together in unity”…praying to see that “united front” soon…God help us, lest we become ensnared in the bait of Satan!”

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