"The Process"

Representative Lora Hubbel posted this to her face book page Saturday

“PROCESS” …a series of actions bringing about a result. In Pierre we were told to respect the process…the process that brought in ObamaCare…that Brought in Cap/Trade…that brought in REAl id. Yeah right…the process of going along to get along has socialized SD. The next time your legislaor tells you he can’t vote a certain way because of “the Process”, tell him that the “process” has gotten us socialism

That got followed by several comments:

I can think of SEVERAL legislators who are all about the process.

There is a full court press everyday with people professing what is the best interest of the Caucus/state, lecturing new legislators on historic customs that they should adhere to in order to “respect the process.” My dear friend Lora is fearless in challenging those assertions with her kind manner, gentle voice, & perisistant questions. She, like I, respect the open government debate the issues in the public eye on the House floor process.

and….

It is my opinion that some legislators are a part of the “process” because they want to be vague. Some also like to hear themselves talk, talk, talk about everything and try to earn themselves personal attention to seek higher things. That is when a part of the process becomes their own self-seeking goals and removes them from law maker status to politician.. this is part of the process…theirs.

Whoa there!  The process may have delivered Obamacare, Cap and Trade(tax), and REAL id, however the process is not responsible.  That same process also brought us our abortion law and the law the prohibits school districts from hiring non-certified counselors among others.

That doesn’t mean the process isn’t broke.

Having worked in different positions,  I can say there is no one ‘best’ process.  Some of the best processes are developed over time with many people adding their knowledge  and experience to make process that much better.  As our society changes, should the processes.

Some process have been around for some time, and they have worked and still might get the job down.  However there might be a much better, easier and faster to achieve the same result, that veterans haven’t considered, because they are bogged down in their own process.

To our freshmen, watch, listen, learn and try understand what veterans you have to show you.  They have experienced many things.  Respect what those come before you have done. However don’t accept things at face value, ask questions, and bring your knowledge and experiences to the table.

To our veterans, don’t be so quick to dismiss the freshman’s questions or ideas.  Sometimes it takes a pair of fresh eyes to find a problem, that you have over looked and come up with a solution that you have never thought of.  Be a part of the solution.  Do yourself a favor, and remove the pharses from your vocabulary, “becuse that is how it is done” and “That is the way we have alway done it.”  Those dogs don’t hunt anymore.

Don’t let the process get in the way, let the process move things forward.  When the process gets in the the way, it is time for ‘The Process’ to be processed

149 Replies to “"The Process"”

  1. Job Creator

    It’s too bad Lora can’t get inside the good old boy network in Pierre, even in her own party. Hang in there, Lora. Just imagine what it feels like to be a Democrat in Pierre!

  2. caheidelberger

    Rep. Hubbel is the one being vague. What’s her real beef? Is she chafing against the childish discrimination against freshman legislators? Is she mad about specific procedural votes? Does she want the Legislature to get rid of parliamentary procedure? Is she proposing to repeal any specific South Dakota legislation, or does she just want to keep mimicking the generic national-level rhetoric she imbibes from talk radio?

    And when did Cap/Trade pass? Is Rep. Hubbel referring to the successful cap and trade provisions of the 1990 Clean Air Act that got rid of acid rain at 30% of the projected cost and coinciding with solid economic growth of the 1990s?

    The processes that need to be examined are the logical processes that produce Lora Hubbel’s inanities… and the logical processes of District 11 voters who think a wannabe ideologue like Hubbel worth electing.

  3. Spencer

    It is nice to see that South Dakota has its own class of conservative freshmen holding feet to the fire. Keep up the good work; this is why you were sent to Pierre.

  4. Anon

    Lora just can’t handle that people might have different opinions than she does — not everyone feels as if there is a black helicopter flying above them. And not everyone advocates building a bunker for the pending apocalypse.

    1. Stace Nelson

      I have had the pleasure & honor of getting to know & work with Rep. Hubbel. She is a kind, thoughtful, wonderful South Dakotan who is driven only in her duty to serve her district. She is exactly what we need in Pierre.

      For those that do not know her, she is respectful of every person I see her in contact with, she listens & asks questions, she does what she was elected to do.

      There is a conditioning that has evolved to get legislators to NOT speak on the House floor. In years gone by, debates would rage into the evening. Now? The “question” is called by leadership all too often while legislators still have something to add to the debate and the floor is cleared all to early. Legislators are encouraged NOT to speak on an issue. Of all the places to not speak, not represent, it is NOT the House floor.

      God bless Rep. Hubbel for her courage, wisdom, kindness, & compassion. We are all better off for her service to South Dakotans.

      1. grudznick

        I like the way young Mr. Nelson doesn’t take the guff it sounds like is being dished out to the freshmen who are told to stand in line and wait their due turn. I wonder someday if he might be talked into running for a statewide office.

        1. Stace Nelson

          Nary a political aspiration in this whole overly large frame. I would be eternally grateful if such was never asked of me.

          Too many folks in Pierre already that are couching their words & jockeying at the trough with eyes towards better seats.

          Having a hard time not washing my hands and going back to beautiful peaceful anonimity the way it is now.
          😀

          1. anon

            You would make a very interesting congressional candidate in 4 years though Stace.

            I’m thinking there will be a handful of people getting in if Rounds doesn’t run for Senate and then Noem does.

            You should consider it at least for a few lincoln day dinners…

            1. Stace Nelson

              I have gone out of my way to avoid such talk & politely turned down a lot of dinner invites. I am honored; however, I can think of a long list of a lot better people with Rep. Mark Venner at the top of that list.

              Besides, from the look of the redistricting, I am doing a bang up job of ensuring my elected future with my candid comments & outspoken public servant nature. 😀

              1. MC Post author

                I for one would like to see Stace make a run for congress. Nothing like a old school Marine NCO(non commisioned officer) to put the fear of God in to some of those poltico types.

                After serving many years, In lands far, far away in places not so desirable and missing countless holidays, birthday, and other family events; it is time for Mr. Nelson to start serving only his family, and us to start serving him.

                1. toad

                  I think Nelson would be extremely competetive in a congressional race. He is very passionate and well spoken. He tells it like he sees it.

                  He would get traction.

  5. Name

    she isn’t the first and wont be the last to question how things are done. I find it ridiculous that the claim was made we have a good old boys network considering term limits and leaderships turnover. The process keeps civility and reigns in anarchy. If you you can’t go to Pierre and compete in the arena of ideas without throwing a tantrum then you are not cut out for the job.

    1. Job Creator

      Find it as ridiculous as you want. The Legislature is a revolving door from one side to the other. When you mention term limits in South Dakota, you should frame it ” “. I find it amazing that anyone who is hanging out in this blog would not know there is an established network of political and business people that we refer to as a good old boy network.

      The process is more designed for control than civility. We have a one-party system in South Dakota. Haven’t you heard about bills that get introduced by one party, killed, and then brought back the next year as the dominant party’s idea? Doesn’t happen every year, but it does happen.

    2. Stace Nelson

      The “process” is the tool politicians use to corrupt our representative form of government.

      It appears that Rep. Hubbel is not only competing in the erena, she has won the day and has driven her opponents from the limelight and into the shadows where they are relegated to snarl from the darkness.

  6. springer

    Term limits were a good idea, but beware the consequences when the idea wasn’t thought through very well (or maybe it was actually!). They are term limited in either the House or the Senate, but are free to float from one to the other whenever their term is up in one legislative body. This isn’t what the people had in mind when this was proposed. Make each legislator sit out from both houses for at least one term between running for the other house. Of course, this won’t pass because the legislators are doing the legislating!

  7. 73*

    I personally would love it if the House remained 2 two year terms and the Senate was changed to 2 four year terms.

    I can’t say I’m overly supportive of termlimits in the SD legislature because I kind of like the idea of quality legislators being able to remain in office long enough to get things done. (but it isn’t that big of a deal to me either way)

    I do support term limits for DC legislators.

    1. 73*

      I’m sorry 4 two year terms for the House and 2 four year terms for the Senate.

      It seems like our legislators were much more legendary before we applied term limits and that is my main beef with term limits.

  8. springer

    I would go along with the above too. It does take a little time to get used to how things are done. This would limit legislators to eight years total before having to “retire” or at least sit out for awhile and give someone else a chance.

  9. grudznick

    If that fellow from the kuchen district that never passes anything had to sit out, wouldn’t that strengthen his party? I say let him run. Let everybody run.

    Newland for District 30.

      1. El Toro Loco Grande (The Big Crazy (old) Bull)

        Maybe you two snapperheads might take a gander at the national debt, our failing economy, the 12 million foreign nationals that have invaded our country, and about a thousand other indicators our country is in trouble.

        Nothing like a couple cowards taking pot shots at a fine lady from the shadows. How does it feel knowing that Rep. Hubbel has more courage than you both combined?

        I bet your mommas are reeeeeaaaal proud.

          1. El Toro Loco Grande (The Big Crazy (old) Bull)

            A nom de guerre is appropriate when replying to cowards in the shadow.

            For the record, while I protest that I am not that massive mammalian appendage, I have been quantified as having the audacity of one endowed with its massive testes glands.

  10. parttimeaz

    What are people worried about?????? The legislature is controlled by a few chosen people/the party. Until people vote for people who work for the people not the party nothing will happen. The ego is a funny thing that we refuse to make feel bad. Vote against those who do not represent the people.
    Vote everyone of them out of office and new ones in. Then vote them out and new ones in. After 3 or 4 election cycles we may have laws/controls that represent the people not the chosen ones.

  11. grudznick

    People deride my friend Bob sometimes, but he is not beholden to the groupthink. This is what representatives like Mr. Nelson bring, and others if they were more electable like my young friend Bill from the other side of the moat. Run, Bill. Run.

  12. anon

    I would like to see the constitutional offices strengthened across the board.

    Attorney General
    Sec of State
    Treasurer
    Auditor
    School and Public Lands

  13. springer

    I would like to see qualified people appointed to division/deparatment heads, not friends of friends as is the case many times now. Incompetent department heads equal poor employee morale and saddest of all poor service to the people of SD. I truly wish someone who has any influence with the top govt in SD would heed this!

  14. Troy Jones

    Process is what keeps us from having anarchy and mob rule. It establishes procedures for electing people, giving them powers when they take office, and organizes the decision-making.

    People who complain about process are really complaining about the results. Results are as good or as bad as the people responsible for the results.

    Blaming process for Obamacare or any other “bad” policy is just as moronic as blaming guns for killing people. Guns don’t kill. People do.

    1. Stace Nelson

      We have prescribed laws, rules, and OPEN procedures of public debate in an open public forum that we have prescribed as our state representative form of government. When politicians attempt to thwart the open public equal balance of representation that is our governmental process by implimenting unofficial practices to do so, that is corruption. It is still a process of government; however, it is not the one that the public deserves or were promised.

      Obamacare is one such example of the corruption of our established governmental process: http://spectator.org/blog/2009/12/16/senate-gop-says-dems-violated# not the least of which are the UnConstitutional aspects of the law http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/01/31/obamacare-unconstitutional/

      Accepting corrupted government that produces Obamacare or any other ?bad? policy is moronic as a voter, but it is derelict as a legislator.

      Honest public servants don’t corrupt the government of the people, self-serving politicians do…

      1. Troy Jones

        Bingo. You proved my point. But i will repeat myself.

        Guns don’t kill people. People pull the trigger.

        And the process didn’t pass Obamacare. Members of Congress and the President did.

        This obsession what ails us is something nefarious and sinister distracts us from the real solution.

        I want real change agents and not people with aluminum foil hats on there head.

        This is crazy.

        1. Voter

          But Obama care passed in SOUTH DAKOTA because “leadership” brought up a 100 page bill and asked legislators–esp. the inexperienced ones–to “trust us.” They didn’t have open debate, they didn’t carefully explain what they were doing–they simply said this is important for us to get federal funds. Some of the legislators said–“no way! I only vote yes on what I understand.” Others said “well if it makes you happy–and helps me get into the Pierre “in crowd” I will vote for it”–and they did. Those were the ones who were respecting the “process” of the good old boy network—and THAT is corruption– Voting for a bill– not on its merits but to please someone who is in leadership over you–so that you will receive future special favors on work that YOU are doing.

        2. Stace Nelson

          Let me get this straight, real people created the most successful country in history, politicians ruined it, but you want politicians to solve the problems they created? Because politicians jockeying for their next politicial goal is going to serve the best interest of the people and make the difficult decisions to do so?

          You want politicians that wont even acknoweldge that there is a problem to fix the problem?

          Like I said: Honest public servants don?t corrupt the government of the people, self-serving politicians do…

          Excuse me if I murder this; however, the definition of insanity (crazy) is doing the same things over and over again the same way and expecting a different outcome. We have had your illustrious politicians ruining things these many years, with their corrupt processes of the open government of the people, yet you assure us that they are the answer to the problems they created.

          Really? Then why do they elect big ugly outspoken common folk like me that actually read the Republican party platform and appreciate what real South Dakota Republicans want?

          1. Voter

            Party Platform, Party Bylaws, and SD State Statues. South Dakotans want honest people who are willing to stand on the platform, follow the Bylaws, respect the State Statues and legislate from these core beliefs. Stace is one–Lora is another. We have too many who think that the ends justifies the means–with the ends being that they move up to the next office that brings them more power and prestige–and –they will manipulate and bend the rules to be sure that it happens.

  15. parttimesd

    Do not think this is much of a process that serves the people!!!
    COMMENT OF THE DAY

    spectator1, on Chris Cillizza’s “The most unpopular Congress. Ever.” story:

    The Congress has been gaming for the 2012 elections instead of building up a record of serving the public interest and everyone knows it.

  16. ymous

    What? and this self serving president hasn’t been running? He spends the last 2 days raising money off his birthday gimmick to raise money for his campaign. This guy is a joke! We have no leadership in the WH! Thus congress has no guidance.

    1. Anonymous

      If Congress need guidence like a little fourth grader to do the work of the people, then we need to through them out. Good Lord, these are adults!

  17. parttimesd

    Never have seen a elected official leave congress a poor person. Why else would it be so important to set up to campaign a yr or more before the election?? Makes no difference if a D or a R… $ is the ruler not the people who elect them. Yet the people have the ability to control but refuse to vote the clowns out of office. The SD clowns are all 3 in DC, and 105 in Pierre. Forgot to include the president and gov……………..

  18. CaveMan

    PARTTIMESD; JUST GO AWAY! We don’t need any more negative non-thinkers running their fowl attitude off within range of any person of normal structure. The problems we face are not new nor unfixable. They just need a few positive people to wrap their minds around and take the first step. Kind of like what SD did in the last legislative session. Cut the pork, cut the budget, cut the crap really and move on. It will work in Washington exactly as it worked here; but they do need some Huevo’s to make the move. So send them some eggs!! Any color will do……………………………….

  19. Troy Jones

    P.S. Honest disagreement is not corruption. It is disagreement. Quit “corrupting” the word until it becomes meaningless. It is my experience those who think they are the only well-intended are usually the least.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Mr. Jones,
      Can I get the telescope that gives you these omniscient powers that you appear to think that you have from your glorious years as an intern? Must be a magnificent machine to be able to give you such insight into the comings and goings of the South Dakota Legislature in session in Pierre, from Sioux Falls, from your past cursory experience.

      It may be okay with the former intern for politicians to tamper with other legislators research, & bills that are supposed to be confidential in LRC. It may be okay with the former intern for politicians to sabotage their fellow GOP legislator’s legislation & work against the best interest of South Dakotans; however, this duly elected Representative of the people of South Dakota is NOT okay with your mantra of politics as usual.

      The public’s business in the South Dakota Legislature is supposed to take place on the record in the full view of the people.

      Folks are tired of the BS that you prescribe, that is why they elected the honest common people you despise, to tend to their affairs.

      Thank you, you made this a matter of principle. I do accept the requests that I have received to run no matter how my district is chopped up. I will break the news to my dissapproving family in the morrow.

      For those that are tired of corrupt politics as usual, click here: http://www.stacenelson.com/donate.html

  20. Troy Jones

    Laughing out Loud!

    I am a simple guy. I want less government and what the government can and should do to be done well. I also understand people disagree with me.

    But disagreeing with me doesn’t make them corrupt.

    Good luck in your election.

  21. Lee Schoenbeck

    Stace –
    Wow -for the record, the uninformed “intern” you are referring to has these other small items on his resume:
    -first director of the REDI fund – ran it for several years
    -was supposed to be on the flight with Gov Mikkelson that went down
    -former state College GOP Chair
    -campaign director for Sen Abdnor’s re-election
    -built a succesful business in SD, that helps other SD buisnesses get financing to survive, to grow and to create jobs in the state
    -part of Youth for Reagan delegation to GOP convention
    -think he was an alternate for Reagan at the re-election convention
    -raised a ton of money for the Catholic retreat center at Broomtree
    -served on and supported more charitable boards with his own time and money, than you and I could ever imagine doing

    I’m thinking I wouldn’t be bringing a putty knife to a gun fight when you want to talk about understanding job creation in South Dakota, personal commitment to improving the lives of South Dakotans or our political system.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Mr. Schoenbeck,
      22 1/2 years of active law enforcement experience from the road to the most complicated of investigations; however, that does not give me the gifts of insight to know the details of the ongoing investigation in Rapid City from my perch in Hanson County. Only arrogance would presume to think I did and to judge the rightiousness of those involved.

      “uninformed intern” is your words, Freudian slip perhaps?

      I ask you to reflect on the past posts and the history therein. Personal attacks where launched were none precipitated such conduct. The only slight that could be attributed to me was that I dare turn to public forums with the problems when proper channels refused to respond or deal with the issue. I broke the politician?s code.

      In previous posts, even when factual circumstances were cited in which there was evidence of ethical abuses of the LRC, Mr. Jones chose to attack the messenger. I attempted to respond as gentile as possible; however, there comes a point when such unwarranted pointed personal comments deserve the pointed admonishments they are responsible for having provoked.

      I get it, Mr. Jones is successful, he was an intern, he was a political appointee, he is a member of the old boys club where he believes he deserves deference, and politicians fawn all over him when he speaks. I show deference to the farmer, the truck driver, the hairstylist, and dare to have a beer with them at the local watering hole and to think that THEY are the most important people in SD.

      Nothing was being discussed about job creation. The discussion was again about problems within our legislature, duly elected legislators that are not getting inline with the unofficial processes designed to condition them to vote as wanted by select veteran legislators. Mr. Jones again railed that those protesting the cancerous processes that have been installed outside of laws & rules in our state legislature are the problem.

      Even though the voters have shown that they are disgusted with this type of attitude, and that they are rising up to flush such things from our government, Mr. Jones was again punching those in the nose who dare speak up about the problem.

      If he does not want his butt handed to him in a public debate on a blog, then stop picking fights with those who care not one wit about the deference he thinks he deserves.

      I agree, Mr. Jones appears to be an expert on our “political system.” If I was looking to perpetuate that system I would throw flowers at his feet, fawn over him as others do, and then ask for a campaign contribution. My oaths have been to uphold the laws & Constitutions of this state/country, to serve & protect the people, to preserve the integrity of the official governmental processes of the people. Nothing in those oaths about upholding a “political system” of deference to politicians who think they deserve a finger on the scales of government.

      “I came to Washington to drain the swamp, not make friends with the alligators” Ronald Reagan

  22. Troy Jones

    So many comments filled with innuendo, etc. I’m going to address them each.

    Stace Nelson: “real people created the most successful country in history, politicians ruined it, but you want politicians to solve the problems they created?”

    Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Abe Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, Jim Abdnor, John Thune et. al. were/are all politicians. So were/are George McGovern, Daniel Moynihan, Paul Tsongas, Paul Simon, Dick Kneip et. al. And, so are truly corrupt politicians like the Abscam guy, the GOP Congressman from Ohio, the Democrat with money in his freezer.

    Maybe some want to use the word derisively but in reality it is anyone who is elected and serves(d). If we want political problems solved, it will be done by people elected. In other words by politicians.

    Nelson: “You want politicians that wont even acknoweldge that there is a problem to fix the problem?”

    This is my point. Can the system be improved? Always. But people of goodwill can see things different (sometimes they disagree about the solution and sometimes they disagree on if there is actually a problem). That is inherent in a democracy. But this continued accusation of corruption does not serve anyone.

    Nelson: “Honest public servants don?t corrupt the government of the people, self-serving politicians do?”

    I agree. But disagreement doesn’t make one inherently corrupt or “self-serving.” If the standard applies to those who disagree with you, can they use the same standard against you?

    Nelson: We have had your illustrious politicians ruining things these many years, with their corrupt processes of the open government of the people, yet you assure us that they are the answer to the problems they created.”

    I’ll stand behind my illustrious politicians that include Reagan (who I’ve met and talked to), Abdnor, Mickelson, Thune, et. al. But those who I disagree with insides my party or outside, I’m not going to characterize as corrupt.

    Nelson: “Can I get the telescope that gives you these omniscient powers that you appear to think that you have from your glorious years as an intern? Must be a magnificent machine to be able to give you such insight into the comings and goings of the South Dakota Legislature in session in Pierre, from Sioux Falls, from your past cursory experience.”

    All I have is my experience growing up in Pierre, active in politics for 20 plus years including working as an intern, for Mickelson, Abdnor, et. al. Should I just rely on a person who has served one session for all my “facts?”

    Nelson: “It may be okay with the former intern for politicians to tamper with other legislators research, & bills that are supposed to be confidential in LRC. It may be okay with the former intern for politicians to sabotage their fellow GOP legislator?s legislation & work against the best interest of South Dakotans; however, this duly elected Representative of the people of South Dakota is NOT okay with your mantra of politics as usual.”

    I don’t even know how to respond to this so I won’t.

    Nelson: “The public?s business in the South Dakota Legislature is supposed to take place on the record in the full view of the people.”

    I agree but it needs to be also presented in full context that doesn’t lead to mis-interpretation, especially by those who don’t have the time to drill down to every nuance.

    Nelson: “Folks are tired of the BS that you prescribe, that is why they elected the honest common people you despise, to tend to their affairs.”

    I get it. You consider those who disagree with you even on “process” as filled with BS and dishonest while you alone have omniscience into honesty and “straight talk.”

    Nelson: “Thank you, you made this a matter of principle. I do accept the requests that I have received to run no matter how my district is chopped up. I will break the news to my dissapproving family in the morrow.”

    You are welcome. Just doing my part.

    P.S. Although I could delete it, I won’t lest I be accused for something sinister and nefarious. However, I believe it has always been SDWC’s policy to not allow solicitation links to be posted. Mike/Kristi, et. al. Would you make this decision?

    1. Anonymous

      Gotta love a pie fight. Troy: I met Reagan! Stace: Am I above reproach, and I don’t care who you know!

      Me: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      1. Troy Jones

        Fair comment on the surface. I only said it as some people claim to own Reagan’s philosophy and the rest of us are heretics.

    2. Stace Nelson

      Our Founding Fathers were not politicians in the sense of the word that others have made it more known as a slur:

      1: a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
      2a : a person engaged in party politics as a profession b : a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

      http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

      Jones: This is my point. Can the system be improved? Always. But people of goodwill can see things different (sometimes they disagree about the solution and sometimes they disagree on if there is actually a problem). That is inherent in a democracy. But this continued accusation of corruption does not serve anyone.

      So what should we call it when LRC staff is ordered to violate one legislator?s confidentiality & disclose bills in draft & research to another legislator opposed to it? When fiscal notes have additional costs inserted on unrelated statutes that were not called for in the House? When criteria for certain motions are made up that do not exist? Should we call that Daffodils? Turning a blind eye does not serve the public.

      Jones: I agree. But disagreement doesn?t make one inherently corrupt or ?self-serving.? If the standard applies to those who disagree with you, can they use the same standard against you?

      I never said that and I don?t believe that. These are your words and your apparent standard, not mine.

      Jones: I?ll stand behind my illustrious politicians that include Reagan (who I?ve met and talked to), Abdnor, Mickelson, Thune, et. al. But those who I disagree with insides my party or outside, I?m not going to characterize as corrupt.

      Jones: All I have is my experience growing up in Pierre, active in politics for 20 plus years including working as an intern, for Mickelson, Abdnor, et. al. Should I just rely on a person who has served one session for all my ?facts??

      No, you should shoot the messengers and arrogantly proclaim you are the one that really knows what is going on from your past experiences being around the legislature & your perch in Sioux Falls.

      Jones: I agree but it needs to be also presented in full context that doesn?t lead to mis-interpretation, especially by those who don?t have the time to drill down to every nuance.

      Get me a tetanus shot, the irony is going to kill me. You were the one who went berserk for me daring to highlight the full context of problems with the director of LRC allowing legislators? research & bills to be obstructed & disclosed.

      Jones: I get it. You consider those who disagree with you even on ?process? as filled with BS and dishonest while you alone have omniscience into honesty and ?straight talk.?

      Nope, you clearly don?t get it. In your arrogance you think you can project your own insecurities onto others as fact. ?Straight talk? Who are you quoting? Again, projection.

  23. Troy Jones

    Jim Abdnor was a politician and proud of it. So was George Mickelson. I don’t consider being a politician a slur. Maybe you do but I don’t. I think public service in all fields honorable.

    But you sure seem sensitive about personal attacks considering your so quick to call others corrupt. Are you sure you were a US Marine?

    By the way, am I arrogant or filled with insecurities? I’m confused.

    This pie fight is over as far as I’m concerned.

    1. Stace Nelson

      DId I ever mention that I hung out with Sister Christian, dranks some beers with them, and provided them security when they gave a concert at MCAS Iwakuni Japan? According to your logic, I must be a gifted rockstar.

      Jones: “But you sure seem sensitive about personal attacks”

      In my former line of work, we called that an admission.

      Jones: “Are you sure you were a US Marine?”

      I was never the vaunted intern or a political lacky; however, my bona fides are a matter of record: http://www.stacenelson.com/aboutme.html

      Jones: “By the way, am I arrogant or filled with insecurities? I?m confused”
      This might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_insecurity

      Fight? I wouldn’t even call this a good sparring workout.

      1. Troy Jones

        Read my comments in this post and the other one and make your charge clear where I have personally attacked you. Where have you been personally attacked. List them so I know what I admitted to.

        1. Stace Nelson

          Mr. Jones,
          I have wasted more than enough time on your posts that were directed at me vice the problem expressed within the starting post itself.

          Your now apparent confusion notwithstanding, you cite them previously as personal attacks within your own comment.

          You seem to confuse me with some political lackey that is at your beck & call, please feel free to do your own compilation.

          I got it, you don’t like people upsetting the apple cart of the political process outside of elected offices that you have painstakingly earned equity in. Duly noted, now… kindly please reciprocate by noting my obvious absolute lack of regard for those concerns.

          1. Anonymous

            This is so great! Yes, I am the anon who did the “Shorter” version of this whole stupid argument. And it actually devolved into the exact argument I shortened it to!!! I can read the future!!!

            Flemdog, ask me who is going to win the World Series.

            1. BF

              Okay, I’ll bite. But isn’t it already obvious? LOL.
              Let’s do it this way. Are the Red Sox going to win the World Series?

    2. Mom

      Troy–this comment seems to prove absolutely everything that Rep. Nelson just mentioned about you. I think that you may need to research basic manners you might see if you can find a little refresher course.

  24. Lee Schoenbeck

    There are some great books about the founding fathers that people who quote them should take the time to read. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Jay, Monroe….. were all consumate poltiicians – thorugh and through – proud of it and good at it.

    1. Stace Nelson

      You are correct in the admirable senses of the word; however, I would debate that they were not as such in the vein that such title is now launched as a slur, and to which the citation of which inferred.

  25. Lee Schoenbeck

    You should read the hatchet job Jefferson did to Adams in the 1800 election. It was dirty, secretive, lying, knife in the back stuff.

    The Federalists retaining control of the judiciary by the use of midnight appointments wasn’t exactly playing nice.

    Jay, a Federalist, using the opportunity of Marbury v Madison to shape his political view for the country (which was contrary to the prevailing electorate’s perspective at that time – they were anti-federalist), and embed it into our system, was shrewd and politcal.

    The “slur” of “politician” is best understood as a reference in third person. “They” have politicians. In the first person, everybody is a statesman, as in “I am a statesman”. “We are doing the people’s bidding”.

  26. Stace Nelson

    You miss the intent of my reference. Compare the political merit of those declaring independence with the cautions & admonishments that you & Troy bequeathed me herein. Imagine if those gentlemen were in fact the calculating politicians that have been advocated herein or if they had adhered to these prescribed cautions of not upsetting the apple cart or risking their lives for this country. There would be a lot of sexy British accents running around the old colonies to this day.

    Said people were human with human frailties; however, we clearly should not advocate their morale shortcomings as the standard of conduct to be emulated today. Are we to follow the banana republics and turn a blind eye to connivery to the point this state sinks into the level of a third world country rife with bribery & graft?

    The comments I have objected to, defend an orchestrated process outside the rules & laws of our states that by its very nature is unimpeachable by the common public this government is supposed to be of, by, and for. New legislators can go along to get a long and throw their trust in the declarations of those who claim special clairvoyant strategies that appear illogical on the surface but are promised to portend benefits to the caucus & party that a new legislator cannot fathom do to their lack of reciprocal months of experience as a legislator.

    We are not talking rocket scientist math, we are talking about individual obligations to vote on the merits of each bill regardless of who brought it and how it will effect South Dakotans.

  27. Troy Jones Post author

    Mom, I take your counsel to heart. Maybe I’m tied up in knots with the broad-based accusation against politicians. I’ve known hundreds of politicians and nearly all of them are good honest people trying to do what they believe is right. Do they make mistakes? Yes. But to indict them all and use a most serious charge of “corrupt” goes too far.

    And, maybe I mention my background too much but I do so in this context- I’ve met “politicians” and respect most of them for their willingness to serve. Even those I have disagreed with on issues, I very seldom believed any of them of sinister intention even if I thought an act or word was below the belt.

    I’m just asking a question of a person who claims to have been personally attacked (unless merely disagreeing with him is a a de facto personal attack), I’d like to know what he considers a personal attack. I would apologize if it was personal.

    I was called by him a “political lacky,” “member of the old boys club”, think I “deserve deference”, “arrogant”, “insecure”, “vaunted intern”, and somehow motivated by my views out of personal benefit from the system.

    I’ve read all my posts directed at Representive Nelson or his views. I have not called him corrupt or supporting corruption. I’ve not denigrated an entire class of people he serves with (politicians).

    I’m sure I’ve not been deferential to him in his eyes. While I won’t apologize for disagreeing with someone, I will apologize for being disagreeable.

    Representative Nelson, I apologize for any personal attacks I’ve made on you.

    1. Bill Fleming

      Stace will no doubt enjoy this little three way comparison:

      Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals
      Tactic #5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

      Troy Jones: “I was called by him [Stace Nelson] a ?political lacky,? ?member of the old boys club?, think I ?deserve deference?, ?arrogant?, ?insecure?, ?vaunted intern?, and somehow motivated by my views out of personal benefit from the system.

      “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”
      ? Thomas Jefferson

      Not sure where that leaves us, but I thought the irony was perhaps worth noting.

      Carry on, gentlemen.

      (p.s. I never hesitate to ridicule Stace at every appropriate opportunity. He’s so funny [i.e. unintelligible] when he gets mad. LOL)

      1. Stace Nelson

        Professor Moriarty or is it Dr. Bill? 😀

        In my defense, it is not ridicule if it is not pointed towards someone. Many of the comments were thrown out like shoes in the trash. The “political lackey” comment was actually self directed. But let’s not detract from the “I was innocently attacked while minding my own business, he look over there” ploy.

        I would cite your Alinsky tactic hereto; however, the horse here is dead.

        Mad? Ire? Do not you old timers know what this means 😀 ? Ahh, but it plays better in the retelling right? 😀 🙂 ;-D

        1. BF

          Nelson, it’s best to avoid trying to sh*t a sh*tter. Perhaps you forget what I do for a living? LOL.

    2. Stace Nelson

      To steal a phrase: The man doth protest too much, methinks.

      Jones: “This obsession what ails us is something nefarious and sinister distracts us from the real solution.
      I want real change agents and not people with aluminum foil hats on there head.
      This is crazy.
      (et al)”

      Hardly the invites for a gentile discussion on the merits. If your sensitive disposition is offended by in-kind rebuttals, perhaps you would be better suited not to invoke such in-kind responses?

      Jones: “But you sure seem sensitive about personal attacks considering your so quick to call others corrupt. Are you sure you were a US Marine?”

      In many ports of the world, such an intended slight would be met with the appropriate pugilistic reward by those that have earned that prestigious title. In this case, I think my textual equivalent, protracted across this blog, were more than merciful in their limited response.

      Of note, my comments refer to actions that run contrary to our accepted rules & laws of government. Those actions impeach themselves in that they are in their very actions that which you protest the use of the appropriate term of corruption! You shoot the messenger & claim sanctity.

      Of further note: You take general offense at my condemnation of the actions of those that add scurrilous to the definition of “politician,” not of actual persons who were named. You chose to be offended for those that you perceive are impugned because of the actions you are aware of, not on actual named persons.

      In that your preparatory comments indicate your gesture to be less than sincere, pardon me if it is dismissed as the insincere offering of a politician.

      Can anybody cite, from the top of their heads, the names of the people that told the colonists to not rock the apple cart and stick with the process of corruption with England? How about the people who told President Lincoln to not rock the apple cart and to just go along with the process of slavery? Imagine if everybody just went along with the process instead of daring to speak up. Hmmm, maybe this country would be $ Trillions in debt and the voters disgusted with the process.

  28. Troy Jones Post author

    Before I leave for the weekend, one last rejoinder. I can’t help myself and it is a slow day at the office.

    The “aluminum hat” analogy for those who believe in these sinister conspiracies was especially harsh. For this I do apologize. However, don’t claim to be an innocent victim. It was in response to you again asserting those who disagree with you condone corruption or are corrupt. Personally, I’d rather be called crazy than corrupt. But maybe I’m used to being called crazy. But I offer no excuse for responding to your accusation.

    For context: Corrupt:
    1. guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
    2. debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
    3. made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
    4. infected; tainted.
    5. decayed; putrid.

  29. Troy Jones Post author

    Hit send before I meant to.

    My point is I believe people of goodwill can disagree on the issue you are raising and such disagreement doesn’t constitute corruption.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Mr. Jones,
      One of the problems in our dialogue is that you will make a statement such as (Jones): ?Honest disagreement is not corruption. It is disagreement. Quit ?corrupting? the word until it becomes meaningless. It is my experience those who think they are the only well-intended are usually the least.? And then you launched into a whole shtick where you projected your assertions that I said people who disagree with me are corrupt!

      The ONLY thing I can find that sent you off on this liberalesque departure from reality is when I said ?Honest public servants don?t corrupt the government of the people, self-serving politicians do??

      You later agreed to that very statement!

      Jones: ?I agree. But disagreement doesn?t make one inherently corrupt or ?self-serving.? If the standard applies to those who disagree with you, can they use the same standard against you??

      NOTICE you were the one that made the comment NOT me!

      Let’s use the accepted standard in the USA, and the one that I used previously in my statement:
      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption
      Definition of CORRUPTION
      1a : impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle : depravity b : decay, decomposition c : inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery) d : a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct

      Jones: “My point is I believe people of goodwill can disagree on the issue you are raising and such disagreement doesn?t constitute corruption.”

      Ask Dr Bill to psychoanalysis you, as I showed above, you are arguing with a statement that you made & projected onto me.

      Welcome to the point that I was already at before you got lost down the rabbit hole.

  30. Stace Nelson

    Mr. Jones,
    One of the problems in our dialogue is that you will make a statement such as (Jones): ?Honest disagreement is not corruption. It is disagreement. Quit ?corrupting? the word until it becomes meaningless. It is my experience those who think they are the only well-intended are usually the least.? And then you launched into a whole shtick where you projected your assertions that I said people who disagree with me are corrupt!
    The ONLY thing I can find that sent you off on this liberalesque departure from reality is when I said ?Honest public servants don?t corrupt the government of the people, self-serving politicians do?? You later agreed to that very statement!
    Jones: ?I agree. But disagreement doesn?t make one inherently corrupt or ?self-serving.? If the standard applies to those who disagree with you, can they use the same standard against you??
    NOTICE you were the one that made the comment NOT me!
    Let’s use the accepted standard in the USA, and the one that I used previously in my statement:
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption
    Definition of CORRUPTION
    1a : impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle : depravity b : decay, decomposition c : inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery) d : a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct

    Jones: “My point is I believe people of goodwill can disagree on the issue you are raising and such disagreement doesn?t constitute corruption.”

    Ask Dr Bill to psychoanalysis you, you are arguing with a statement that you made & projected onto me.

    Welcome to the point that I was already at before you got lost down the rabbit hole.

  31. MC Post author

    I want to make sure what I am reading here is correct.

    The ‘process’ that Stace and Lora is railing against is not the published & public process, rather the back-room wheeling and dealing that goes on. The deals that keep election coffers full, and ensure leadership positions to those that the power brokers in Pierre deem ‘most deserving’

    Not so much the legislators, more the lobbyists, the lobbyists/legislators that have designed an internal process to ensure they stay in power.

    1. Anonymous

      Who the hell can really tell. I lost track days ago. This is basically an intra-party wank-fest over who is more “pure”.

  32. Stace Nelson

    Mr. Jones,
    For the record, I ate lunch and argued with my flaming liberal UC Berkley grad buddy & co-worker for 8 years straight.

    My sparring partner when I was a young boxer was a fellow Marine & a good buddy of mine. He broke my nose, and he got great hits in until I got to the same level of experience.

    Most of those events ended with a “@#$&%! You Nelson!” I would have taken a bullet for both of them, and still would.

    If you are ever up for such an honest friendship, I enjoy heated discussions over food that grows cold, and large draughts of proof that God loves SD countryboys.

    God bless…

  33. springer

    Well, I was one who didn’t agree with the “process” back at the SD Rep convention. I was told to let the “process” work as basically these were the people who knew what was best. I recently learned that we who question the “process” are considered riff-raff by the establishment party leaders in SD. Well, I’m proud to say if I’m riff-raff, if that means I have every right to express an opinion or debate and vote on an issue at the convention. The good ole boy network is being questioned, and that is good in any political system. The riff-raff are here to stay!!

  34. anon

    I was a latecomer to this little scuffle, but found it to be interesting reading for the most recent hour of my life.

    However, I was glad to see Troy raise the Marine question.

    As a former Marine, I have often questioned that very thing myself. Any Marine knows you stop at nothing to protect and defend your “brothers”.

    Stace repeatedly throws his brothers, in this case the House Republican caucus, and especially its’ leadership, under the bus as soon as they disagree with his thoughts or beliefs.

    Behavior like I’ve seen on this blog, and what has apparently happened in Pierre, would not be tolerated at any level in the Marine Corps.

    I find it hard to believe a man with Marine training would treat his fellow soldiers in such a manner.

    1. parttimesd

      Outstanding USMC people are alive and well and the others are USMC but not alive. Blind followers are blind followers not leaders. Those who are leaders in the process need to be aware that others leaders have a position that may not follow but they have positions that are valid…………….

    2. Stace Nelson

      Many problems with this little jewel. First and foremost, no such animal as a “former Marine.” Secondly, Marines don’t refer to themselves as “soldier.” Thirdly, and most importantly, no Marine is going to take the side of those that betray them especially against a fellow Marine that is on record as being the strongest advocate for veterans in the SD Legislature. Lastly, a real Marine has the common sense to know that Bendict Arnold may have been a brother in arms, and a celebrated American war hero; however, he deserved no loyalty or assistance in his betrayal of the cause to the British.

      My loyalty is with the voters I work for, the party platform (mission)they enacted, and my duty to serve in those best interests. A real Marine would know & respect that.

      Dismissed poser.

      1. Anon

        So you are OK with labeling your self as the Bendict Arnold of the House of Representatives. Interesting.

        1. Stace Nelson

          My understanding is that some Republican groups are taking a look at how the legislators voted this past session, with a keen eye towards GOP platform plank issues. Somehow I don’t think the name Nelson is going to be one that SD Republicans consider in the vein of Benedict Arnold.

  35. Stace Nelson

    USMC leadership traits & principles:
    http://www.usmc1.us/marine_leadership_trait.html
    Note, nothing in there indicates a Marine should disgrace himself by condoning or assisting in unethical activities.

    Thus the Marine expression: God, Country, Corps… Death before dishonor… Semper Fidelis!

    Stace Nelson’s bona fides as a real Marine: http://www.stacenelson.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/SVN/DD214a.jpg

    http://marines.togetherweserved.com/profile/19

    anon’s bona fides:

    Nuff said.

    Come here anon, let the old Marine show you his war face..

  36. BF

    “Marines don?t refer to themselves as ?soldier.?
    Stace, can you please tell us why you don’t like it when someone calls you “soldier?”

    1. Stace Nelson

      Each branch of service has a unique culture, especially in how they refer to themselves and others in their branch. It would be uncommon, for a Sailor to call other Sailors a “Soldier, Marine, or Airman.” Soldiers would never refer to themselves or other Soldiers as “Marine, Sailor, or Airman.” There is a special pride in every branch of service. Marines are Marines, or a litany of other colorful names that Marines use. It is why it is so easy for members of each branch to spot posers who claim to be part of a culture that they are not.

      For the record, Marines are known and on rare occasion proudly refer to themselves as “Soldiers of the Sea.”

      The title “Soldier” though is reserved for those proud & deserving members of the United States Army.

  37. BF

    Oh, okay, then I guess good old Wikipedia has it all wrong then? “A soldier is a member of the land component of national armed forces; whereas a soldier hired for service in a foreign army would be termed a mercenary.”

    Not so? Or was it that you weren’t “a member of a land component?”

    Guess you must have been a “soldier of the sea” then huh?

    How much sea service did you do, Stace?

  38. Stace Nelson

    Bill, “BF,” “anon,” or whatever you are posting as today,

    Not suprising, your arguement is with the culture of the members of our armed forces.

    I spent 18 years serving overseas, 23 1/2 years total service to our country: http://www.stacenelson.com/aboutme.html

    What did you do when our country called your name, and what do military members have for that?

  39. Stace Nelson

    Bill, ?BF,? ?anon,? or whatever you are posting as today,

    US Military really is Greek to you, isn’t it?

    Read 8a & 8b, then note awards in line 13 & 18.
    Then wander over and check out the few awards I posted here:
    http://www.stacenelson.com/awards.html

    I shared my service, regale us again with how you refused to serve when called. What was the title military members have for that again? Nice to see you still have spittle left for the younger generation of veterans too.

      1. Stace Nelson

        You got me Bob, I conspired with Troy, Bill (BF/anon/etc) to have my service called into question so I could get the chance to tout my record of service.

        😀

        1. dissident.

          Thank you for serving, Rep. Nelson. Consulting to law enforcement in the Rapid City race war paying anything?

  40. BF

    p.s. yes it is greek to me. Can you explain why it says:

    Record of Service

    f. Foreign Service: 00 years 00 months 00 days
    g. Sea Service: 00 years 00 months 00 days

    What’s the distinction being made there?

    Or is it just a typo?

    1. Stace Nelson

      I was not stationed aboard ship for sea service pay nor in an area that they qualified as foreign duty pay note instructions for the USMC to complete a Marine’s DD214:
      http://www.sdmcp.org/Regs/marcorpsepman/AppB.pdf

      http://usmilitary.about.com/od/militarypay/l/blpayallowance.htm
      “Foreign Duty Pay (FDP). Foreign duty pay, sometimes referred to as Certain Places Pay, is payable only to enlisted members assigned to permanent duty at specified places outside the 48 contiguous United States and the District of Columbia. The list of eligible FDP countries is found in Chapter 17 of the DODFMR. FDP is not authorized for personnel who are residents of Alaska, Hawaii, U.S. possessions or foreign countries during any period they are serving within their home continuous days.

      Career Sea Pay (CSP). This pay is designed to compensate eligible members for serving many tours of arduous shipboard sea duty throughout a career. As such, it is payable to enlisted members in pay grades E-4 through E-9, warrant officers and officers who have accumulated more than three years of cumulative sea duty. ”

      Criteria for awarding a Marine the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon:
      http://www.marines.mil/news/messages/Pages/2003/Messages03top102.aspx

      Would you like some milk with your gall?

  41. Bill Fleming

    I served then, I’m serving now. Lately (as in just last week) my energy has been more focused on taking websites down than putting them up. But this thread isn’t about me, Stace. It’s about people like you and their problems with “the Process.” Mine is a completely different process. Completely.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Correct me if I am wrong, didn’t you relate in your past derision of President Bush’s military service, that you refused to serve in the United States Military and in fact protested the US Military? Now you are claiming that in the context of United States military service, that you served?

      Yes, as indicated, I am for our established open government representative democracy run on established rules & laws that our country was founded on. If I remember correctly, didn’t you previously brag that the Communist rules for radicals tactic was your process http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm Especially trusty old #13 “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. ” Didn’t you indicate in the past that you are fan of the Communist form of government?

    2. Bill Fleming

      Oh alright, Stace, if you must. I decided to forgo my student deferment in my junior year of college and allowed my number to be drawn in the lottery at the Custer County draft board.

      I filed for conscientious objector status and was denied.

      When the lottery was drawn, my number was about 30 or so numbers higher than the highest number drawn, so I was never called.

      I was never drafted.

      But I did protest the war and was lobbying for its end, the same as I am doing with the wars we are involved in now.

      I decided back then that to keep my student deferment would be a cop out, given what my conscious was telling me to do.

      Had I been drafted, I would have had some decisions to make as to what the next steps would be. I had three acceptable options. 1. To go to prison. 2. To go to Canada and 3. To get drafted and become a medic, who refused to carry a weapon.

      I was by then a non-violent human rights activist.

      My moral position was then ? and is now ? as per Gandhi, ??There are many causes I would die for. There is not a single cause I would kill for.??

      And no, I am not a communist.

      I am, however a socialist.

      And if you support social security, medicare, and medicaid, so are you.

      And finally, yes, I am familiar with Saul Alinsky?s work on community organizing, as are you and as are most people who want to do that work (the Tea Party, for example.)

      It?s the best handbook available at this time.

      I think even the military is using it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      Any other questions, my friend?

  42. Anon

    The last military draft in the United States (U.S.) was during the Vietnam War. Stace you keep makeing reference to “Now, please explain to the public your service record in the armed forces when called upon by your country” You are not writing that you were drafted by the US durning the Vietnam War are you?

    I can only assume that you in fact you chose this job and were aware of your duties. Just because a person does not choose a military career does not make him or her any less of an American.

    1. Stace Nelson

      My service record is listed here several times http://www.stacenelson.com/usmc.html No such claim or inference was made by I. The bombing of the barracks in Beirut was one of the driving forces for me to enlist. The reference was for the gentleman that has the gall to call my service into question, who evidently refused to serve & protested those who did.

      Those who serve know that they are putting their life on the line to serve. I am responding to personal attacks on my service. No one claims that it does; however, the ultimate form of patriotism is putting ones life on the line for their country, not protesting the decisions of the duly elected US Govt..

      1. BF

        I never protested the soldiers. Only what their government was making them do. I was more concerned for their well being than my government was. We should not squander our young people’s lives needlessly and recklessly, or send them to kill people unjustly on our behalf.

  43. Bill Fleming

    Stace does bring up an interesting point though: “The Marine Corps owned me…” Does that mean employers “own” their employees? You have some really peculiar notions, Mr. Nelson. Really, really peculiar.

        1. Stace Nelson

          You had your chance to learn what it means, you declined. Look it up on “Wikipedia,” it is right next to the crack definition you found of a US “soldier.”

          1. Bill Fleming

            I tried to answer your question above, regarding my history with the draft, Stace, but my comment is “awaiting moderation”. Not sure why. Perhaps it will show in a while. Meanwhile, keep your powder dry, buddy.

                    1. Stace Nelson

                      I remembered that I promised the papers in my area a quick blurb about what the approved conuberation map will do to Dist 25. Making the kids go help me later since I had to get this into the papers.

  44. Anoonymous

    Indeed good sirs, it would appear that he of marine service hath now challenged ye lesser, godless sorts, by slapping thou proverbial faces with the gleaming white threaded dress gloves that once covered the strong yet tender hands that caress and protect Lady Libery and her innocent spawn.

    Fear greatly ye false prophets and misleaders of things, upon the morrow, a great dual shall occur and ye shall be forever vanquished by the greatest patriot ever to be elected to the sd legislature.

    Don’t be fooled by his simple, often poorly constructed prose, a great orator he hath not claimed. Yet his thick hide protects america like a great buffalo skin tepee. Upon dual, ye shall be cast out of the great tepee that protects us and gives us warmth, and sent forth into the wilderness to chew roots with muslims, socialists, and a few democrats.

    Hear me now and fear him later: If ye are one to cross he who bloggeth too much, tears of pity shall not dampen your pall when the day of reckoning befalls upon you.

    Now ye goeth forth and be righteous, and join the ranks of his followers. Then maybe one day ye too, can be a Stace Cadet.

  45. Lora Hubbel

    Wow, didn’t realize i threw a bomb and then took a vaycay for a few days in Minnesota to be with my daughter (no internet). Rep. Iceberg from District 25 may be the boat sinker…even if the Good Ole boy’s think they are controlling this “big ship that doesn’t turn very fast”. This was an actual pictorial i was given when i was in Pierre and wanted to stop ObamaCare and other social wrongs (SD department bills ushered in Obama Care years early…even though campaign rhetoric condemned it, yet SD offered an open door and welcome mat to Obama Care) that people sent me to Pierre to stand against.
    So glad I was able to galvanize Stace into running and into “staying the course”. If anyone thinks they can manipulate conditions or boundaries that will hamper Stace…just know I have lived long enough to experience that what the Devil means for evil, God will use for good. Those who plan on setting a trap for Stace will be ensnared in it themselves. George W Bush said, “The prayers of the people … sustained me, comforted me and strengthened me in a way I could have never predicted before becoming president…”
    And Stace has many of those same prayer warriors behind him…if you have missed going to bat for Stace in your daily prayers…pencil him in tonight and don’t stop those petitions.

      1. lora

        unicorns? the only semblence of a unicorn in present days is the Rhino. Most archeologists think that anyone talking about a single horned animal in ancient texts was probably a rhino-type animal, where the horn is not a true horn made of bone but of keratin like fingernail are. “out in the twinkies” – do you mean out in the stars? Stars don’t really twinkle…its just that our rods (and maybe cones) in our eyes get fatigued and switch over to a neighboring rod…then we interpret that as a twinkle…

  46. Les

    It is interesting to me how those vehemently opposed to the status quo in Pierre would choose to suddenly find nothing wrong in Pierre because they disagree with most of Stace Nelsons principles.

    Process rather than open government can be nothing more than the folly in DC which only by the process of the money handlers can you succeed.

    Stace and I don’t see eye to eye on some issues but I will stand with Rep Nelson until I fall in his fight for honest and open government in our state. Thanks Rep Hubbel for standing tall enough to take the poetic prose coming out of the darkness of anoonymity.