Seeking 2WM for Death Penalty…

RC Journal is reporting that SD Atty General Marty Jackley has filed paperwork in court seeking the death penalty for the two prison inmates who brutally murdered (yes I know…..allegedly….whatever) Ronald Johnson.

Attorney General Marty Jackley said the crime fits five of the 10 conditions set in state law that qualify for the death penalty. They are the death of a correctional officer, the manner of death, where and why it occurred, and the defendants’ criminal background.

Based on the published reports about the brutality of the murder and the criminal history of the two killers — I can’t see how you could argue for anything else.  Are you satisfied with the decision of the AG?

36 Replies to “Seeking 2WM for Death Penalty…”

  1. anonymous

    Marty is a great public servant.

    I support his decision.

    The Death Penalty makes me uncomfortable but if this will deter others from doing such a horrible act it must be done.

    I have no doubt Jackley is doing what is in the best interest of the state and the other prison guards. Let alone these people committed a horrible act.

  2. anonymous

    I’d like to see the legislature take up a dresscode and hair cut for criminals. I don’t understand why they can have a mullet and tattoos or facial hair.

    It should be clean cut in prison and about getting their act together.

  3. Reader

    The largest religious group in South Dakota is Roman Catholicism; a faith which prohibits execution 99% of the time. Mr. Jackley is not serving them with his agenda.

    1. duggersd

      While I am sure the Roman Catholic Church would prefer to not execute these two animals, one of which is already in prison for life, I do not believe as you apparently do, the attorney general is not representing a major portion of the people of this state. Quite the contrary. I know of some who are very devoted Catholics who support the death penalty and birth control, two issues the Church opposes. While Jackley is not operating under the laws of Catholicism, he is operating under the laws of the state of SD.

  4. Reader

    Rep Nelson’s campaign website states the following: “I believe in God. He is the center of my life. My savior is the Lord Jesus Christ and I worship the triune God (God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit)” It’s a shame he doesn’t not imitate the Divine Mercy of Christ which extends even to the most wicked, such as these two.

    1. Stace Nelson

      That big ugly countryboy’s website also indicates that he is a retired federal agent & served his country as a US Marine for 13 1/2 years. The shepherd’s job is to protect the flock, not hogtie them for the wolf to gut them.

      As the government is proper to protect the people from murder from invading armies, local government is proper to protect law abiding citizens from murdering criminals.

      Romans 13:4 paints a clear picture as to the Lord’s wishes for governments to protect the people.

      If you would like to debate the matter further, I can point to countless passages to support the protection of the innocents and which extol the shepherd protecting the flock. Although I do not gather from your anonimity that your post was sent as such an invitation so much as a personal affront.

      1. Reader

        The most recent approved apporitaion of Jesus Christ was in the 1930’s to Saint Faustina. In these visions, which became known as The Divine Mercy, Christ stressed His great Love for us all, He exorts us to show mercy as well.

        Jesus Christ, Divine Mercy, have mercy on us
        Our Lady of Mercy, pray for us

      2. Mom

        Thanks for standing on the principles that you say that you believe in–not only with words but with actions. At times I am forced to acknowledge that is a rare trait among legislators in our fair state.
        While God is not willing that any should perish he also makes it pretty clear that our time on earth is but a shadow of what is to come–these two men have time between now and when they are put to death to decide where they will spend eternity–THIS is the mercy of God–that no act is unforgivable–and with repentance and faith in Jesus– God will accept us as his own, forgive us and allow us to spend eternity with him.
        Death is a just punishment for what these two men have (allegedly) done–but if they choose God’s mercy–it doesn’t have to be for eternity..

          1. Les

            Quick justice would be to put them in the hole for life. We will see these prisoners walking around long after many of us are gone.

          2. Mom

            I would feel that I had done a terrible job in raising them and in teaching them the right way to live. I would have to tell them both that as much as I love them–they have made their bed and they must lay in it. The punishment fits the crime. Then I would –once again–speak to them about eternity and getting ready for it!

          3. Les

            Mom needs to understand her casualness could be visited by haunting repercussions as life plays out with children and grandchildren.

            These pigs need to go in the hole. Death is the easy way out for them and the expensive way out for the taxpayer by ten times or more.

          4. duggersd

            Reader, I read your comment to Mom. I do not know her or who she is, but I believe her comment is appropriate. No, I doubt she would be happy to see her child killed. I would not either. However, if my children did crimes like this, I would believe they deserve what they get. How do you think the family of the guard who was killed feels about seeing an animal who is in prison for life not being able to get any more punishment. Oh, and how would you feel if that was your dad, brother, son killed by those animals?

          5. Reader

            If my loved ones were to die at another’s had, I pray that would have the fortitude of St. Maria Goretti, a Italian murder victim, who forgave the man as she lay bleeding to death, and of her mother, Assunta, who fought for leniency in his sentencing.

            If my loved ones, particularly my children, ever faced capital charges I would not rest; I’d do every thing in my power to spare, even if guilt is obvious. That they ‘deserve’ execution would be the furthest thing from my mind.

          6. Mom

            If I believed my children were innocent of such heinous acts I would fight to the death for them. These two men were convicted separately, by a jury of their peers, and given a chance to live out their days in a location where they were not a danger to others. They were given every opportunity to repent and seek God’s plan and purpose for their lives.
            They chose instead to take the life of an innocent man who was doing his job. If they are convicted they deserve whatever penalty the court decides on–and if that is death then I hope that they take whatever time they have before they are executed to chose to repent and to know God and to receive eternal life.
            I often find todays parents to be lacking in REAL love. The Bible is pretty clear in Hebrews where we are told that a father who LOVES his child will discipline that child–that discipline and punishment cause us to choose to do right and not wrong. A parent who does not punish their child does NOT LOVE THEM enough to look into the future and see that punishment moves us to improve and in the end actually makes our lives better.
            I am not advocating slapping a child across the face–but I am advocating that when a parent directs behavior–that they do not let ANY whining, yelling, sulking, disrespect or persistent asking deter them. Yes means yes–and no means no–and no negotiation will change that.
            When my sons joined the military they already knew how to follow instructions–sadly most of their contemporaries did not.
            I was willing and honored that some of my sons were willing to lay their life on the line to protect our freedoms. It would have been terrible to have had one of them lose their life while serving their country–but THEY MADE THE CHOICE to serve.
            It would be horrible to have one of my children lose their life because they killed an innocent man who was only doing his job–but THEY MADE THE CHOICE to break the law and take an innocent life–and the punishment should fit the crime.
            Of course I would be grieved to lose any of my children or grandchildren–but grown ups get to make THEIR OWN CHOICES– and mothers –as much as we are willing to give advise when asked–must allow those adults to choose their own way.
            I hope that the values that I have instilled in my children and grandchildren through consistent discipline, which at times includes punishment, will cause them to make GOOD CHOICES. It is my hope that they seek God early and ask HIM about their choices.

          7. Reader

            Mom, firstly thank you for the service of you and your family.

            However, I don’t think that that if you were the mother of one of this men, you would be saying the same thing. Our children, no matter what they do, remain are children. Regardless of their sins, these two men are still God’s beloved. created in His Imagine, and their lives, just like all lives are sacred.

            Forgiveness is something we tend to lack, however it is vital to the Culture of Life. I pray all South Dakotan, especially Mr. Jackley, follows the example of Mrs. Goretti, who deloveped a close friendship with her daughter’s murderer.

  5. Duh

    reader: what if the guard was your father? There is no excuse for their lives to continue. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that your proabortion too. Ok, save those two dirtbags’ life, but nuke a baby. What hypocrisy. You have no legitimacy.

    1. Reader

      The Holy Catholic Church, of which I am a proud and devoted member, is very clear in Her opposition to execution as well as abortion.

      1. Stace Nelson

        Catholic Catachism in regards to capital punishment:

        “2266 The State’s effort to contain the spread of behaviors injurious to human rights and the fundamental rules of civil coexistence corresponds to the requirement of watching over the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime. The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation. Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender.[67]

        2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
        “If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
        “Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’ [68] “

        1. Reader

          Thank you, Rep. Nelson. To summarize: The Catholic Church teaches “cases of absolute necessity for suppression [execution] of the offender today ? are very rare, if not practically non-existent.” In his landmark publication, “The Gospel of Life,” Blessed Pope John Paul wrote that in the Industrialized World, there were no absolute cases that would justify this.

          1. Stace Nelson

            The catachism articles, and the case at hand, would beg to argue your assertion. These two men have proven themselves to be a continued threat to those around them.

            In any event, your absoulte deriding judgement and ridicule of the persons herein, are not in keeping with the persona you have attempted to manufacture here nor with that of a person truly dedicated to the canons of the Holy Church.

            My point that a lawful Christian soceity is duty bound to protect the innocents, from the wolves, remains salient.

  6. Lee Schoenbeck

    Pulling from encyclicals and the CCC in political debates can be a difficult task. The encyclical referred to above, The Gospel of Life, is 189 pages long (but an easy read). On the other hand, people of faith are disappointed when elected representatives that share their faith – appear to fall far short of the mark of understanding the principles of their faith (in my faith, we like to call those “cafeteria Catholics” – or the “Easter people” – which is the only time you see them at mass without a wedding or a funeral attached 🙂 ). But, you can’t expect them to consider their faith if you don’t engage them on the principles of it as applied to public policy (this applies equally to Lutherans and Methodists and Judaism and any other faith). So here are my two cents, from a Catholic perspective, and one that has always voted against the death penalty.
    I question whether you can read the absolutism of the encyclical from Pope John Paul II as the annoy did above, when applied to the death of the prison guard. Pope JPII was solidly against the death penalty, but even the Gospel of Life precedes that quotation with this (on p100 of paperback version): “the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not to go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society.”
    In the case of a determined killer in the penal system, guards and other prisoners are the members of society at risk. In the matter at hand, do you think these people are capable of being managed in the penal system without doing further harm to others? The answer appears obvious.

  7. Charlie Hoffman

    As I read the above statements by Rep. Nelson and the direct but less than polished rebuttal by Reader; General Schwartzkopf’s remarks regarding the forgivenes of the Iraqi army by the Kuwait public comes to mind. “It is God’s job to forgive them and it is our job to arrange the meeting!”

    If it was up to me we would advertise the public hanging of anyone on death row in the city they were born in showing everyone just what happens to a human body when a rope snaps its neck.

    1. duggersd

      Charge admission. Public hangings used to be a real spectacle. We could hold it in the Dakota Dome and even have pay per view. I suspect this could bring in enough revenue to fill the void of the sales tax not keeping up. And, Reader, this is tongue in cheek.

  8. Patrick Leary

    All one has to do is monitor what Donald Moeller is doing in the Penitentiary . . . gaming the system and exploiting every possible loophole once he’s been sentenced to death. In the long run, it will cost the taxpayers more to execute the two convicts than it will to let them rot in the Pen. Once they are condemned, the only folks who come out ahead are the court-appointed ambulance chasers.

    1. Stace Nelson

      Law enforcement, the Attorney General, states attorneys, judges, public defense lawyers, their staffs, all have to work these cases and get paid regardless if they push for the death penalty or not. There are associated costs and parts of the appeals process that may be more expensive as a result; however, it is a small price to pay compared to the ultimate protection of law abiding citizens and the justice it brings. Many studies have been done, as far as the costs, with conflicting results; however, one thing that is irrefutable is the recidivism rate for those that receive the death penalty is 0. They cannot hurt prison guards, other prisoners, and they cannot escape to further harm innocents in society. There is no way to put a price tag on those what ifs, or the lives that are surely saved from these threats to society being removed.

  9. Reader

    I have taken the issue to prayer many times, and every time Jesus has told my heart to oppose the death penalty, because He does.

  10. Mom

    If Jesus opposed the dealth penalty then he would have removed the theif from the cross beside him and restored his life–instead he offered him eternal life. I was away from my computer for the week end and will respond to the assertion that I don’t love my children because I expect lawful behavior from them, when I have more time later.

    1. duggersd

      I hear ya, mom! While I would expect my children would have to accept the consequences of their actions and be executed if they were to murder another person, especially while serving a life sentence in prison, I also would expect my children not to be in that situation to begin with. Lead on lady!

      1. Mom

        Thanks Duggersd. Sometimes it is very hard to watch your children fail–but it is necessary. The first time that I spanked my Granddaughter (with her Mother’s permission) I cried too–but we were at a restaurant, she was not listening, her Mother had “had it”, I asked if I should spank her and and her Mother said yes. I turned to that adorable little 3 year old and sweetly said. “Honey, you know better than to run around the table and to shout in the restaurant. If you scream again I will take you into the bathroom and spank your bottom and it will hurt. Do you understand me?” She looked me in the eye, opened her mouth and screamed. I picked her up and headed to the bathroom as she cried out for her mother to save her.
        She got spanked a hard swat–then was hugged and asked to say that she was sorry–it took SEVEN spanks before she was sorry. When we came out of the bathroom she told her Mom that she was sorry–she was forgiven—- and the REST OF THE DAY there was no disrespect. That was years ago and I NEVER have any trouble with that little lady–and we go everywhere together–but she knows that she knows that when Grammy speaks she listens–and we always have a good time. This is the missing piece to the puzzle that has left our country with so many young people who are disrespectful and selfish.
        Sorry–I got a bit off topic!

        1. Reader

          Mom, well your story of doing your daughter(in-law)’s dirty work is touching, riddle me this: How do you think your grandchildren would feel seeing you support the killing of their father?