I don’t seem to recall other presidential candidates invoking “sentence helpers” like this.

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I can’t say I’ve heard that other candidates have marked up speeches and written in the margin to their speech writer “I need an f-bomb here.”

49 thoughts on “I don’t seem to recall other presidential candidates invoking “sentence helpers” like this.”

  1. Donald Trump. Leader of the Republican Party! Getting stronger every week. That says a lot about Republicans around the US.

    1. I heard Obama use the n-word a few weeks ago.

      My, what an example he’s setting for our youth. Racism dressed up in a suit & tie is still racism.

      It’s even worse when the racist is in the White House. But that’s what we get from Democrats, no?

    2. The thing I would say is that Trump’s use or desire to use the F-word would be less harmful than the Democratic party policies to push Socialism on this country. Why don’t you talk about that, Heisenberg?

      What does the bloodthirsty desire of the Democrat party to abort babies say about Democrats around the US?

  3. I would be willing to bet that almost all of the other candidates have used that word and wanted to insert that in the margins of their speeches at some time (except probably Huckabee). I don’t like the use of the F word either, but I am so sick of political correctness and political speak that I am willing to overlook this, and I think most people who are sick of the establishment politics would agree with me.

  4. I think you’re wrong on both points Springer. You don’t speak for the candidates or the public.

    We shouldn’t complain about one clown in the White House only to replace him with another. I still have standards and expectations for a President and I’m not going to lower them just to appease my emotions.

  5. Springer,

    Can anyone even imagine Ronald Reagan talking like this. “Motherf – – cker” really? Would you overlook it if your kids gave such a speech in public and being filmed? How are we going to say to our kids this in unacceptable? Self-control is a virtue.

    Being a rude vulgar man has nothing to do with establishment politics. Being a narcisist has nothing to be with establishment politics. Have we really taken leave of our senses and forsaken all modicum of decency? Our President should appeal to our better self and not our most base animal instincts.

    There isn’t very many people I wouldn’t welcome to my home. Don Trump is not welcome in my home. If he came to my door, I’d ask him to leave. If he didnt’, I’d charge him with trespassing.

    Seriously, is there anything this person being could do or say that would cause you to not support him?

    1. I can’t see Ronald Reagan talking like that but Donald Trump is not Ronald Reagan.

      It’s important for candidates to be authentic and who they are. Donald Trump is brash. He’s a jerk. He gets stuff done and he gets it done his way. I’m thinking that might be what we need right now. Reagan didn’t cave on things in the 1980’s.

      Donald Trump is fighting a hostile problem and if he feels the need to be this brash then I don’t blame him because most of his supporters feel the same way.

      (I don’t swear but I’m not offended by Donald Trump being who he is)

      1. “Reagan didn’t cave on things in the 1980’s.”

        I grew up with Reagan,

        He caved on many things. He was a pragmatist because he HAD to be a pragmatist with all those Dems running Congress.

        (On foreign affairs, Reagan was more rigid).

        I agree that times have changed and Dems have grown extremely radical and unAmerican in their beliefs and methods. So, maybe Trump’s approach is the way to go nowadays.

    2. You asked if there is anything Trump could do or say that would stop my liking him – answer is probably, but so far not.

      I am MUCH more concerned with the lies that have come out of Obama’s mouth in the last six or seven years. I am MUCH more concerned with the words that Obama has used that have fanned the flames of racism and have divided this country on the basis of race, gender, religion, and political party affiliation. I am MUCH more concerned that Obama compares Reps with terrorists, that he has said white supremacy in the US is a greater problem than ISIS, that he has said global warming is a bigger problem than terrorism. I would not tolerate swearing from my kids, and didn’t, and don’t condone it. But there are other words and word usage that cause much more damage to individuals and our nation than a few swear words.

  7. There are many reasons not to support Donald Trump. While I agree this type of speech is not the type of rhetoric I would expect from Presidential candidates, it was his way of showing how tough he can be. In this speech he was showing the situations and they type of language one uses when dealing with certain types of people (not saying I agree).

    1. Dugger I agree with you that is exactly what he was doing…. That is an appeal to those among us that want a mob boss figure as President… Not going to happen …. At some point Trump will head back home to one of his golf courses.. Safest bet in the world…..

  8. Some of you don’t get it, do you? Trump is – and always has been – a straight shooter. But this type of outburst really is more indicative of the people who support and follow him.

    Every time Trump does something that so many of you in here disapprove, his numbers go UP. That can only mean that more and more Republicans approve of his actions and his words. And they want more.

    So it’s easy to be a pundit in this echo chamber, but again out in the real world your Republican brethren by far approve of Trump over any of the candidates on your “Approved List of Candidates.”

    He doesn’t care what you think just as much as Obama doesn’t care what you think. And he’s the leader of the Republican Party right now! You better do something fast. Maybe PP or Troy can come out hard against him. That strategy really worked well against Huether…

  9. I love he is NOT being a traditional boring lets lie and say what they need to say candidate. GO TRUMP!

  10. At least he is who he is.

    Jeb Bush is making a fool of himself in this race.

    Trump, Rubio or Carson are all looking like good candidates. Just be true to yourself. Kasich even looks like a good candidate even though I don’t agree with him on several issues (such as common core). Jeb Bush is a disaster. He is busy talking about Trump instead of what he wants to do. Scott Walker is twisted up in knots (and I like Scott Walker), Rand Paul is doing much worse than I expected. I went from being 100% opposed to Ted Cruz when this race started to deciding that I would be ok with him. It’s all because when the rest of the candidates condemned Donald Trump he didn’t. Primaries are about expressing ideas and thoughts and allowing the party members to choose a candidate NOT having a knee jerk reaction to someone just because the liberal media demands it.

    Sure Donald Trump says a lot of things I don’t agree with BUT a primary is designed to sort those things out and allow for differing ideas. I want a diverse party. I do not want a bunch of clones running for president or any office. Tell me what you think and I’ll listen and vote based on who’s message resonates with me.

    1. And I actually like all of the candidates on the GOP side to various degrees. I won’t be a Bush supporter based on the fact that I don’t want another Bush. But I do think Jeb was a great governor of Florida and I think he is a very smart guy.

      But he’s not entitled to be president just because he’s a Bush.

  11. Dugger,

    “Showing” us how tough he is. Real tough guys don’t have to talk like this and they don’t. This is faux toughness.

    Second, it is at best naive. President Trump would not be a dictator but a President. His experience in “getting things done” is because he’s the dictator of his business.

    Third, what is appropriate for a private conversation is not necessarily appropriate in a public conversation. I sometimes express myself in business situations which has elements of profanity. But, I don’t have to prove I can do it by being that way in public. Again, it is actually what faux tough guys do. Not real tough guys.

    Fourth, while carefully picking where to fight, Ronald Reagan “gave in” all the time. He didn’t fight where he didn’t have a path to getting the votes. And, often to get the votes, he was the consummate compromiser. I was in DC during those years and observed his machinations first hand. The expectations people have for the President to be “like Reagan” are expectations not even close to the reality of Reagan.

    I agree we need a Reagan with regard to firmness of conviction and vision. But, we also need one who has the capacity to know what is possible AND one who has the political and personal skills to get the broader public behind him.

    Don Trump is the least “Reagan-esque” of all the candidates. It is a delusion he is channelling anything of Reagan.

    1. I agree with Troy that Trump is not Reagan-esque in many ways. For instance Trump would never cave to the point of trading arms to terrorists in exchange for hostages. Trump would never do that.

      1. Obama traded arms for terrorists, nuclear weapons to terrorists, terrorists for a deserter, terrorized Americans by assassinating them with drones, and left American hostages to wither in Iranian jails.

        Trump would never do that.

        NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT WOULD DO THAT.

        Until 2009…

        1. Stay on topic please. This part of the thread is about Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan. Any moron would know that Trump is not Obama – esque. I get that you rise in the morning and go about your day thinking Obama is universally evil – and then you have nightmares all night long that Obama is evil – but I don’t care what you think about Obama. And Trump doesn’t care what you think, either. For that matter, Reagan probably would not have cared either.

          1. Well no, the post thread is titled:

            “I don’t seem to recall other presidential candidates invoking “sentence helpers” like this.”

            Obama as a candidate and as president often uses obscenities and acts in obscene ways such as when he kowtows to terrorists

            Try to remember the thread title:

            “I don’t seem to recall other presidential candidates invoking “sentence helpers” like this.”

    2. And as I noted, I was not saying I agree. If Trump is the nominee and Clinton or Biden is the other choice, who do you choose? I choose Trump, but he is down on my list. I really don’t trust him to be a conservative. I think he is opportunistic. I also wonder if he is trying to sabotage his own campaign by saying thins and is surprised that people like him more.

  12. 1. wow, wolf blitzers cnn graphics design is borrowing a lot from the fox style. i never watch cnn so it’s news to me

    2. i think the f-bomb usage is the clearest sign that trump wants to bring in democrats too, they like that stuff i’m told.

  13. Dugger, I wasn’t picking on you. It really was a summary response starting with you. I almost sent you an email to that effect after I hit send.

    Springer, I’m not sure what Obama has said that logically links to what Trump is saying but I’m not too bright. Anyway, I find it interesting that you have higher expectations for your kid’s decorum than you do for the President. Personal conduct matters to me. I didn’t like having to explain to my kids Clinton’s behavior with interns and I don’t like explaining to my grandkids Trump’s behavior.

    1. Troy, I’m curious about the answer to duggersd’s question (that you seem to be dodging ;-)?)

      If it comes down to a choice between “the Democrat” and “the Donald” who are you going to vote for? Or will you just stay home?

      I’m not picking on you personally here, either. I’m used to my SD Dem vote for Prez not really making much difference in the General (given the way the electoral college works). But do you think there’s a chance the SD GOP dominated electorate might actually consider voting for a Dem if their candidate is a stinker like Trump? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

      1. Are you REALLY curious Bill, or just playing some game with Troy like you did with me?

        Watch out folks, it’s impossible to know when Bill is playing a game or not.

        Bill, would you please tell us when you’re playing a game so that we can ignore you?

    2. I think you are very bright, Troy, and that is why I cannot for the life of me understand that you base your like or support of a candidate on a bad word that came out of his mouth during a speech. I am sure, as I said before, that most of the other candidates have used similar language but maybe not in a speech. Do I think it is necessary to make a point? No, but I am not going to base my support of lack thereof on a single word. It is MUCH more important that a voter look at what a candidate says he wants to do for or to this country, that his or her words are not intended to divide us on ethnic or racial or income etc lines, and that he/she speak the truth to the citizens; and IMO the things that have come out of Obama’s mouth have been much worse than a simple bad word. Look at the things that he, and now Hillary, have said, what they mean for we the citizens and the future of this country, and that is much more important to me and many voters than a single utterance.

  14. trump should just scratch his nose with his big middle finger like other candidates have done. one other, at least.

  16. Bill,

    I’m not really avoiding it. Everything is early so I can’t even stick with my top four GOP candidates week-to-week. I just don’t know today to answer the question definitively. I think neither Clinton or Trump has the basic personal integrity and character to warrant my vote under any circumstances.

    When I was young, someone put in my head the “good neighbor” criteria for getting my vote. In short it is: If the person is not one I’d want as a neighbor and have my kids see every day and welcome in my house, I do not vote for that person. Frankly, I take pride in I’ve never violated this principle when I actually cast my vote.

    In very few cases do either GOP or Democrat candidates not pass this test. In fact, I can remember only one time choosing to leave a vote blank for this reason (and no, I’m not telling who that candidate was). Clinton and Trump are the exception and both fail. Trump failed with his “motherf – – -ker” comment yesterday. Clinton’s list is a bit longer.

  17. Hillary – “I support illegal immigrants because one day they will be citizens and vote for Democrats.”
    Jeb – “I support illegal immigrants because coming here is an act of love.”
    Trump – “I support legal immigration. Its time to build a wall.”
    It’s really just that simple.

  18. Springer,

    The underlying principle to the “good neighbor test” is never expect a bad person to do good. I think at their core, Hillary Clinton and Don Trump are fundamentally flawed as human beings. It is only fundamentally bad people who are not allowed in my house and I certainly don’t want such a person in the White House.

    William: You are misrepresenting Jeb’s word. He didn’t say he was for illegal immigration. He just said we have to deal with it in the context with regard to motive of most of those who took the risks to cross the boarder- desire for a better life for their family.

    Regarding the wall, I think it is a bad idea to actually accomplish anything. Do they still dig trenches in war? A wall is low technology, high cost waste (except in certain areas). The answer is use of technology, increased manpower and detention in tent cities anyone caught for six months before being taken back.

    1. Troy,

      At this stage, it’s not what candidates positions ARE, it’s the perception of them. For (far too) many voters, the perception is all they’ll ever have.

      1. any person who is aware of this is honor bound to not operate under the flawed perceptions then, but do their best from available facts.

  19. Troy states, “The underlying principle to the ‘good neighbor test’ is never expect a bad person to do good.” I prefer the saying that hung on my grandmother’s wall (by Edward Wallis Hoch).

    There is so much good in the worst of us,
    and so much bad in the best of us,
    that it hardly behooves any of us
    to talk about the rest of us.

  20. Springer,

    That maxim of your Grandma would seem to preclude your above words about Obama.

    1. Guess you got me there, if what you meant is that I shouldn’t speak ill of anyone. But….when a person’s words have a great effect on other people’s lives and belie that person’s honesty, IMO one has a responsibility to say so and hold that person accountable. (And, I never said I was perfect!)

  21. Don’t fall for Pat’s tricks. This is a very, ver, very old video. And not that earth shattering.

  22. Springer,

    And I have a responsibility to hold Trump responsible for his words.

    Anonymous: This speech was given when he was considering running for President in 2012. So how far back should we exempt Trump from his prior words?

    When he was for universal health care? When he said he was a Democrat? When he was for Hillary? Give us the line when when Trump’s words are irrelevant? Do you have the same standard for Hillary? Obama? Bush?

    1. Be careful with that yardstick.

      How far back should we judge you by your words?

      “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, Otherwise, you will be judged by the same standard you use to judge others.”
      Matthew 7:2

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