State Senator John Wiik is likely to sail to re-election.. and after reading this, I get the feeling his fall opponent is the motor oil in the engine that’s going to propel Wiik to the win:
When your Libertarian opponent is posting on facebook that doing meth and prostitution should be decriminalized as ‘victimless crimes’ because the people participating in them are willing.. I just don’t think that’s an easy sell among the church going folks in District 4.
Wiik’s campaign expenditures this fall might consist of sending his Libertarian opponent a thank you card.
Sounds like he was on meth when he wrote this. Guys like him really make me think a lot less of the Libertarian party.
So am I not a victim when a meth addict wants me to pay for their rehab because they realize that this “victimless crime” is killing them? How about the hooker who gets an STD and wants me to pay for their medical care? What about the police who have to respond when the non-victim is assaulted by a customer?
Maybe this guy should move to the Netherlands.
(1) No one’s arguing that a “non-victim” can be “assaulted”…
(2) You’re not a victim when others WANT you to pay for their rehab or medical care, but we’re all victims when government FORCES us to pay for it.
Science informs Liberty. Adhering to Liberty is a moving target. Meth usurps agency .. free will and choice vacate the meth addicted, and therefore externalizes the cost of the “Liberty” to use meth.
I would venture that most whores are indoctrinated early .. brainwashed, and once that threshold is surpassed it is practically impossible to un-choose this course.
This illustrates the impossibly difficult task that Libertarianism has in reconciling the nature/nurture argument. As I understand it, pure Libertarianism fails the practicality test.
Cannabis, in my view, does not fit the same mold as meth, alcohol, cigarettes, codeine, oxycontin, vikodin, and other agency usurping substances:
https://plainstribune.com/podcast/?service=podcast.PodCastDetail&streamId=96570aadc63e6dd41c9dbaece6c08f08
America’s founding document says we’re all endowed by our Creator with the unalienable right to liberty. Why would you say libertarianism has the task of “reconciling the nature/nurture argument”? How is that argument relevant?
People like this exist.
Dear Libertarians: we can’t legalize meth. As many devastated families know, meth chains addicts to despair. Users destroy their health and disorder their minds, surrendering all that is beautiful, relinquishing all that is sacred, for another toxic fix. When helplessly-addicted Americans ingest such poison, Liberty weeps. We might as well legalize mustard gas.
You’re describing present circumstances, with meth criminalized.
That’s true. And I’ll readily admit that no forecast is certain, as 2020 proves. The “experts” revised forecasts of COVID-19’s spread & lethality up and down with bewildering speed. These projections have proven frustratingly inconsistent & inaccurate
I’m no oracle. I didn’t think Joe Biden would be the Dem’s nominee. Always in motion the future is. I can’t say for certain what would occur if SD legalized crystal meth. Perhaps we’d see less crime & fewer lives lost. Personally, I doubt it. I’m convinced we’d see more crime, more pain, more misery, more death. I’m unaware of a US jurisdiction where meth consumption is legal, but the international evidence is striking: Loosening restrictions in Portugal and Italy have not (to date) produced good outcomes. Rather, we see increased addiction, marginally greater crime, and slightly higher user mortality. Arguably, it hasn’t been disastrous, but it hasn’t been good. Holland is now moving toward greater restrictions.
A prudent person uses present circumstances, aka facts, to forecast what may occur tomorrow. We know meth is lethal. There’s no hard evidence that legalizing meth saves lives. Regionally, higher methamphetamine use correlates with a plague of public health crises. So while I don’t claim prescience, I’m against SD volunteering as the guinea pig in such a risky experiment.
Thanks for the intelligent comment, but do you understand that the thousands of young Native American and African American sons, brothers and fathers rotting in cages for nonviolent drug offenses aren’t “volunteering” to be the “guinea pigs” in YOUR “experiment”? I’m not sure how we’d even begin to measure the long-term social and economic costs of this mass incarceration of ethnic minorities, but arguably, it HAS been disastrous.
“Experts” led state government to waste our money preparing 5,000 extra hospital beds for COVID-19, a bad cold that’s actually required ZERO extra hospital beds in South Dakota. What if the same kind of “experts” were behind the criminalization of voluntary drug use?
Ok great. Maybe I should go do meth and sleep around and then explain to my wife and children how they are not victims.
Do you want government agents to intervene every time you sin against your wife and children?
Anyone? Do we want to pay for the FBI to conduct no-knock, pre-dawn raids with guns drawn because a man is neglecting to spend enough time with his children? Those children would obviously be the “victims” of his neglect. Do we need statutes to criminalize it?
Meth use is victimless, what a joke~!
But hey so it is not only this nut job but the ACLU, Pennington County Public Defender, come on, ridiculous!
Daryl isn’t a nut job, and you should stop calling yourself “Truth”…
have you ever met Daryl…he is crazy!
Yes I have, and no he isn’t.
Maybe you should learn to capitalize and punctuate before you start trying to evaluate other people’s mental health.
Legalize prostitution, sure. There’s never been a vslid reason for it to be illegal in the first place.
Legslize meth, though? No. Meth’s one of the few drugs that unquestionably should be illegsl. Maybe the only one.
Nothing should be unquestionable.
I’d go beyond that…cocaine has no purpose and only harmful effect, fentayl also should be illegal, meth clearly should be…get a grip people
The central question here isn’t whether a given drug is being used correctly. It’s whether voluntary drug use in itself is any of the government’s business.
Funny coincidence. Look at the time stamp on that comment. 🙂
heh