COVID numbers are up by single digits in the latest update from Sanford Health:
Compared to last week’s numbers, they’ve inched up by a few, but the percentages of mainly unvaccinated people being hospitalized continue to hold true.
COVID numbers are up by single digits in the latest update from Sanford Health:
Compared to last week’s numbers, they’ve inched up by a few, but the percentages of mainly unvaccinated people being hospitalized continue to hold true.
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I try to get along with everybody. But some good folks told me yesterday that all of the people they know coming down with COVID are “vaccinated”. Hmm. (See chart above.)
I hear that stuff almost daily. Getting along isn’t easy but I think the key here is to keep the laughing on the inside.
That is why anecdotal evidence is a guide but not always a true picture
Well you can admit that the “vaccine” doesn’t confer immunity, right Elk?
You can read charts.
But you seem to claim that a vaccine is not effective unless it prevents disease 100% of the time? Is that it? 90-95% means it is worthless?
Is that what you mean? I want to know.
Do you seriously contend that the “vaccine” confers immunity 90%+ of the time??
I think it’s closer to 0%. Yes, the vax undeniably lessens severity of the illness. But I don’t think it does anything whatsoever to confer immunity. Zero.
The vaccine can reduce hospitalizations and patient ventilation by 90%. Obviously, OMICRON may be somewhat different. We will see.
Who has ever claimed that the vaccine prevented all infection. What are you talking about?
It doesn’t prevent ANY infection, Elk. I think that’s pretty obvious at this point.
Hey Elk, I read today that upwards of 90% of omicron cases in Germany are people who have gotten the “vaccine.” Any thoughts on that?
Omicron can get past the vaccine. They have said that for some time. It can also reinfect persons with previous illness.
I understand that vaccination still greatly reduces the chance of hospitalization and death. Each variant is different.
I rely on the CDC, John’s Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, WHO and other professionals for advice. Who do you trust? I hope it’s not Alex Jones.
Omicron is going to change some of those statistics, but the chart above shows you where we are now. Ignore it at your own peril.
All depends on what your source of “information” is – and there is a ton of bad info out there. The thing to focus on, is who is getting sicker, and overloading our hospitals – and the stats currently show how the unvaxxed are on the losing end of that deal. Getting the shot, and booster if eligible – and still contracting omicron, while only getting mild cold symptoms sounds like a win to me.
This data is next to useless without accompanying age and pre-existing condition information.
Oh, and info on whether patients have pre-existing infection-induced antibodies. Why leave that key data out?
Anyone taking silver? Candace Owens says it works great! She did the research on the internets.
Is that where your skin turns blue but you are safe from COVID? A side benefit is that you could switch careers and join the Blue Man or Woman Show?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-turned-blue-silver-dies-article-1.1466905
Is this the same guy who was making his own silver solution and had no idea just how strong he was making it? Heard about him. I’ve used it occasionally for over 12 years, with good success and I haven’t turned blue. But, I don’t make my own.
Yes, it is. https://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410
Anonymous at 6:56…
I agree, without ages and other data the Sanford numbers are all noise.
Also, a study of Florida hospitals shows up to 60 percent of “covid” patients tested positive only after they were admitted. In other words, hospitals play games. Who’d a thunk it?
I trust those Sanford numbers about as much I trust Truck Stop Sushi!
Please tell us. Who do you trust for medical information and COVID science?
The CDC squandered the well-earned trust of previous generations when it switched its advice on masks. For 70 years it had maintained a well-researched conclusion that masks are pointless to use as a defense against viruses. That advice changed 180 degrees in April 2020, just a month after Fauci pooh-poohed wearing masks.
Public health officials further eroded trust with its absurd “stay home, stay safe” lockdowns, 6-foot distancing (an arbitrary and useless tool), and over-selling a pharmaceutical solution. Also, all its research has been preordained to fit the narrative it established out of the gate with covid.
There is good information, but most of it is coming from overseas. The blog “Healthy Skeptic” does an outstanding job combing through all the data and studies.
As for doctors, my father was a general practitioner. He’d tell patients, “Here’s my diagnosis and here’s my advice for treatment. Follow it or not. It’s your body, your life. Get other opinions. It won’t hurt my feelings.” That’s a medical professional that can be trusted. But I don’t trust the politicized hacks at the CDC out for themselves, who shut down anyone who has a second opinion and disagrees.
And one more thing to add to my comment at 11:50…
I stopped trusting the CDC experts and those who quote them approvingly when they pushed disastrous mitigation policies during the iniital “two weeks to flatten the curve” phase. We already knew from Italy, the cruise ship, and the Navy’s flat-top that this virus wasn’t much different than past pandemics, yet we reacted as though this was Black Plague. Now we can’t seem to call it quits on all the madness and simply carry on.
God forbid. The CDC recommended that the public be cautious when a new deadly pandemic was circling the globe. And their opinions change when the circumstances dictate that they do so.
The CDC is telling you that not getting the vaccine results in a situation that looks a lot like that chart above. But you won’t believe them.
As for your father’s advice: “Here’s my diagnosis and here’s my advice for treatment. Follow it or not. It’s your body, your life…”
He wasn’t talking about a very contagious and deadly virus. Because that would make no sense. Because it’s not just YOUR body – is it? I am sure your father cared about the welfare of others, especially vulnerable populations. Do you?
And one more thing… if Delta would have been as contagious as Omicron, there would be a whole lot more dead UNVACCINATED folks.
Once in a while, luck is more helpful than smarts.
My father and his colleagues shared a humility when treating all patients in all circumstances, including a pandemic, such as the Hong Kong Flu in 1968. (Which I caught and was never more sick since.) The CDC and NIH, as well as research hospitals, are relied upon for sober, steady assessments, not the panic they sowed this time around with wild predictions and insane testing and mitigation.
Your additional comment is nonsense on stilts. Ninety percent of the people who die with covid are elderly, and the average age of death is 80. No one can control a virus, but the public health people insisted it was possible, when all research has shown that there is no way to stop airborne viruses. Vaccines are fine, but flame out quickly with each mutation. We all get sick eventually, whether jabbed or not.
For pete’s sake, get a grip.
826,000 deaths. Despite all of the actions to curtail COVID-19. It would have been far worse without some of those mitigation efforts.
Oh – I get it – that isn’t supposed to matter because many of the infected… are elderly.
Many of the recent infections skew somewhat younger. But why should that matter? Those that are older than you or me have a right to life too.
Yep, I just don’t care./sarc
The history of pandemics and how doctors approach health and illness is fascinating. It took generations for the medical establishment to learn that, when confronted with viruses, it was best for society to protect the most vulnerable (old people like me and others with compromised immune systems), develop therapies, and urge everyone else to carry on as normal. Instead, in April 2020, the docs, aided by media and politicians, all shouted “wolf!” Public health officials chucked a cardinal rule of medicine — never call a horse (something familiar) with a zebra (something exotic). They preferred panic and fear over good medicine. Idiots all.
The people who succumbed to the virus couldn’t have been saved — covid was going to find them and do its damage, no matter what. The good doctors have been honest about this. The Faucis of the world, not at all.
I trust reasonable people over those whose hair has been on fire from Day 1.
It is funny how the narrative has changed over time as to why vaccination is bad, from my research it has done the following:
1. Don’t take it, the pandemic is fake to make Trump look bad (he looked bad without it)
2. It will go away as soon as Biden takes office (still here going into 2022)
3. Don’t take it, there are micro computers in it (do we really need to respond to this one)
4. Don’t take it, you’ll lose your freedom, this is the same as the holocaust (but what about all the other stuff we want to regulate, this contradicts that, and the holocaust, really?)
5. Don’t take it, it is experimental (no longer experimental)
6. Don’t take it, big pharma is not liable for it (how many times have you considered suing “big pharma” in the past anyway)
7. It was tested on aborted fetal cell tissue (so was tylenol, pepto bismol, lipitor, the list goes on, but you take those other ones).
8. It is only a way for “big pharma” to make money (then what’s the solution, socialize medicine, regulate big business, isn’t this the same “communism” that you speak of?)
9. Don’t take it, Bill Gates is trying to use this to create the “big reset” where we all switch to his form of digital crypto currency. (This is the latest crazy, I haven’t really figured it out yet, but it is not realistic).
I know I may have missed some, JFK Jr. and George Soros are missing, please chime in if you know of any.
you missed:
“Don’t take it, it will make you infertile”
“Don’t take it, it will make you impotent”
“Don’t take it, it’s 99% Graphene”
“Don’t take it, it will cause Antibody Dependent Enhancement (so when you catch covid, your symptoms will be worse.)”
And my all-time favorite “don’t take it; it makes you magnetic and spoons will stick to your neck.”
There was also Kamala Harris declaring she would not take it because Trump recommended it, but nobody sane listens to her anyway.
Lol. I forgot about the spoon thing.
Also missed: https://conejoguardian.org/2021/12/14/more-vc-nurses-blow-whistle-on-overwhelming-numbers-of-heart-attacks-clotting-strokes/
Looks like a real reputable site, established in 2020… LOL
Anon 3:01, Is this more to your liking?
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-grows-stronger-covid-vaccine-link-heart-issue-cdc-says-n1270339
You had to dig for that one… The article concludes that information is pretty inconclusive. Compared to the original article you posted – it seems to be less dramatic. Post something that shows numbers, facts and hard data. Until then, your original link is bad info.
How is it SD according to this chart is bucking the trend not only nationally, but globally? NYC has one of the highest vaccination rates yet “Confirmed cases of COVID-19 are on the rise again due to the omicron variant and its high level of transmissibility. On Dec. 26, 189,714 new cases of COVID-19 were reported. Of those, 54,828 came from New York City. This means that 28.9% of new cases reported for Dec. 26 came from the Big Apple.”
And let’s not talk about therapeutics such as the “I” word or the “h” word that have shown promise. It appears Pfizer has come up with a pill that has variations of some of those treatments not allowed to be mentioned.
Vaccines are just part of the equation and so far the ones they have are less effective than advertised. There have also been deaths attributed to the vaccine, especially in younger people.
Now you’re concerned with cases? “It is what it is.”
confirmed cases just means they had positive tests. It doesn’t mean they are very sick, if they are symptomatic at all.
People who have been vaccinated for influenza can still get the flu, but they don’t get as sick as they would have if they had not been vaccinated. There is nothing unusual about this.
The states that did everything the CDC/Fauci said to do are no better off medically and far worse off economically. The emotional toll on kids and adults has been hard and long lasting. Anyone that can honestly say we’re better off today then 13 months is being a partisan hack. The tweets aren’t as frequent or mean but the man worked his ass off.
This guy is up at 10 and in bed by 4. Has no idea where he is and openly says he’s not suppose to talk to the public.
We complain about who’s wearing a mask or who’s not vaccinated.
Inflation is the worst in 40 years and small business is getting crushed. Defund the police has caused our cities crime and violence to skyrocket which are all run by democrats. The sates attorneys in big cities have abandoned charging little alone bonding individuals. Why would a cop arrest anyone little put there but on the line for a public (because of the democrats) who doesn’t support them.
Get a shot don’t get a shot, who cares. Just live or die with the result.
It’s all tearing this country apart.
Vermont.
I have given Sanford money in the past for many different fundraisers. No more. I’m done. Between Medicaid expansion & forcing vaccinations on people I’m just done with them for good. Laying nurses off who worked through the pandemic at the lowest points but then firing those same heroes is disgusting.
Forcing vaccinations? Did they strap you in a chair with a gun to your head and vaccinate you against your will? Did they force you to work a job you did not want to? South Dakota is a right to work state.
Yes, forced ! Did they tie the workers down and jab them, no they didn’t. BUT, Sanford did tell them you get the shot or you are FIRED. Many couldn’t financially afford to lose the paycheck, so they got the shot. That is forcing them.
No, it isn’t forcing them. They have a choice. Get the shot, or you cannot work for them. Last I heard, there is over a 20k+ worker shortage in SD, so they can go easily work somewhere else. Just don’t expect the same salary working at Dollar General.
You have the freedom of choice with where you work. Don’t play the victim, grow up and be a team player. If not resign, get fired and work elsehwere or start your own business. Pretty simple.
Feel free to donate money. I won’t. HIPA was created to protect medical info. A shot for such a low mortality virus isn’t right. I can choose where I donate money. Sanford isn’t the hospital it once was.
There’s 2 hospitals that employee almost all medical people that mandate non competes as well.
Have fun getting your second, third, fourth, or whatever booster you want to get. I’m also assuming you will request Remdesivir when you end up in the hospital after your tenth positive test. You do your research, and the rest of us will do ours. Big pharma loves you if If you think there are no side effects from the vaccine when the vast majority of the people survive Covid creating natural immunity. I forgot we are suppose to change our life for somebody that has immune deficiency which in a major part is because of the way that person has decided to live their life. Just look at their own data which is only a portion of the real data. Conspiracy theory they say, or is it following the real science.
Agreed
I think it would be safe to assume that someone who has tested 10 times for covid has had the shot. Most folks who have not been vaxxed by this point, still assume that it is “just a cold” – or “its no worse than the flu,” and wind up in the ECU. Why would they get tested for covid?? But, hey – natural immunity, supplemented with a ventilator seems to be the way to go!
Please post your real name so we can associate this with your Herman Cain award when it arrives.
Ben Shapiro sums it up:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/12/31/welcome-to-reality-ben-shapiros-thread-on-what-dems-media-are-now-willing-to-admit-about-covid-19-says-it-all/
Yep
Do tell us, Vamos… how does your beloved Ben Shapiro explain that chart above?
Now, I can explain Ben Shapiro. Ratings.
Ilk
The left and the media is who’s changing their opinions. Read the list.
The chart above is by Sanford. Can’t explain why Sanford puts out junk. Only Sanford can explain why they do that. Maybe to keep the Federal money tap wide open to fill their coffers with taxpayer dollars.
You won’t believe the hospitals, universities, CDC and other experts. You accuse all of them of either lying or being motivated only by money. One conspiracy after another.
But – you will believe some selective blogger who tells you what you want to hear. So now, you are almost always right. How simple.
Not when the hospitals receive money for covid numbers, or have financial investments in drug companies as Fauci has. Nor will I believe them when I read news articles like this one from California: https://conejoguardian.org/2021/12/14/more-vc-nurses-blow-whistle-on-overwhelming-numbers-of-heart-attacks-clotting-strokes/
You people find some of the wackiest, least credible links online. Try an “internet literacy” class.
Wait till you see how many farmers cashed in on this covid thing… PPP money was falling from the sky, and they were scooping it up.
Anon 3:01, Is this more to your liking?
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-grows-stronger-covid-vaccine-link-heart-issue-cdc-says-n1270339
Who tweeted it?
“Don’t believe everything you hear on fake news. I never had the Wuhan Flu, because it doesn’t exist. #maskoff. #mybodymychoice. #plandemic”
Clue… It wasn’t Cliff Hadley.
Herman Cain (30th of April, 2020)
Elk at 10:50…
Nice to know I can get under your skin.
For the record, I’ve never denied covid’s existence. I’ve said from the start that there never was evidence that covid was so horrible that we needed to lock down society and ruin millions of lives in the pointless effort to control an airborne virus.
I like discussing issues with you, Cliff. When someone gets under my skin, I will say something like… “get a grip”.
Cliff
Ilk will always get the last word unless the thread runs out of room.
No he won’t.