Last night, I had a call to go check out Lora Hubbel’s Facebook, where it was being dropped in a comment section that a prominent Democrat’s name appeared on the Ashley Madison list, which was hitting South Dakota and had been handed off to the media. And yes, there it was.
But looking at it makes you absolutely sick to your stomach for the person, as you know it’s not going to be pretty as it is blared in the media.
Of course, a prominent weatherman from our same state’s media had already been outed before on Twitter as an alleged client of the website, said to have spent nearly $600 on the match-making service. The story was earlier ignored, and didn’t get much notice, but will probably see new light.
The Ashley Madison list was supposedly stolen by an employee, and broadcast to the world. But it’s status as being stolen hasn’t hindered the wave of publicity as people on the list are revealed to the world.
And now, that wave is hitting our state. And we’ll bear witness to all the destruction that goes with it.
Update – You’ll notice I’m closing the thread at the moment. I think a few of you are going past the edge of discussion, and into territory I’m not comfortable in having you venture. This is dealing with people’s lives, and speaking from experience, that’s not a puddle I have any interest in stepping into lightly.
I question whether I’m becoming kinder and gentler as time marches on. I was offered the list today, and I said thanks, but no. In other places, people have had their lives wrecked, and have even taken their lives over this information being blasted out there. An item from it was put out there yesterday, so, it’s not like you can pretend it didn’t happen.
But, there’s no need to wallow in it.
I’m not sure why Senator Phil Jensen decided to take it upon himself to become our State’s new moral authority, and not only procure the information, but to send it out. I suspect at some point, he will find himself reaping that which he has sown.
Who is the weatherman?
Is this the same Democrat whose father appointed him to a very high position in law enforcement?
Guys, if you want to know, you can go look.
looks like the Democratic bench in South Dakota just got a lot thinner
Who was the prominent democrat?
There are 7 Deadly Sins:
Lust, Pride, Greed, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony, & Wrath/Anger.
I have yet to meet a person who doesn’t struggle with them to differing degrees.
Let the one who has no such struggle cast the first stone.
Troy, I agree we all fall short of the glory of God, but it is prudent for us to (appropriately) investigate the frailties of public figures. If a guy steals from his employer or cheats on his wife, I’m less likely to vote for him. I’m not perfect, and I’m not casting stones, but I like to know who I am hiring.
another big loss for us Democrats if it’s true–the people in question need to come forward and explain being on this list
Anonymous @ 9:45a.m.,
As of now neither person is in a place of public trust or pursuing such a position. Private failings are just that private between the person’s family and God.
Public actions like a marriage commitment, obtaining a PUBLIC marriage license, getting on a PUBLIC WEBSITE, getting paid by the TAXPAYER, PUBLICLY blathering about human trafficking–these are all very PUBLIC acts.
Sorry TJ, you cannot excuse his behavior by trying to erect a false veil of privacy around bad acts and bad actor(s). God requires us to seek forgiveness, atone, and sin no more not just for what we do in private (irrelevant to any Ashley Madison situation), but also our public failings. To excuse sin is nothing short of blasphemous. When he does repent, I’ll reconsider. I won’t waste time waiting for it.
Just a few days ago on this forum, I very pointedly criticized him & his father for acts that very negatively reflected on their integrity & honor. PUBLIC acts reveal private character–they don’t make it . As a result of my comments substantiated by facts, I was personally attacked by multiple commenters, including one “honorable” Charlie Hoffman. Not once did anyone debate or discuss the facts that I presented–it became about me. How was it that I knew more than those who claimed to know him & the family as friends, and respect him?
I won’t wait for their apologies.
I pray for all of us.
Per Curium if you thought that what I wrote was a personal attack I’m truly sorry. But how can one personally verbally attack a ghost?
Send me a text message @605-216-0027 so I know who I’m dealing with here and I promise to never out you here or on any social media.
“Charlie B. Hoffman
September 16, 2015 at 11:09 am
Per C I don’t argue politics with Ghosts.”
I guess you missed the part about making it about me…again.
It’s not about me. It’s not about you.
It’s about what & who we should elevate as honorable, and what we should condemn. That’s a discussion about universal principles, not dependent on the source or those who fail to abide by them.
I pray for you too.
Per C my only job in life has to make instantaneous judgement calls on the actions of those in front of me. To that order I have succeeded exceptionally well while at the same time given much latitutude to those not in my field of vision.
You continue trying to be the Judge of my character. You sadly have failed.
So a person’s inability to be true to his/her spouse doesn’t reflect on their character in general? Also, like with Petraus, wouldn’t cheating on your spouse potentially open them up to blackmail? Also, look at Slick Willy-what do you think of his character and the impact it had on the country?
I usually appreciate your comments, but I like to know if someone is an adulterer before I would consider voting for them. I guess I just expect more from the people who want me to give them my trust in a leadership position.
This person is neither in a position of public trust or pursuing a position of public trust. If that changes, the breadth and appropriateness of the discussion would change as well. That is one of my points
There are seven deadly sins. Lust is not the only one on the list. Too often the purient gets disproportionate attention in my mind. That is my second test.
Finally, too often we hold certain sins (Lust) as especially egregious and definitive and excuse other deadly sins such as pride, anger, and envy. That is my final point.
P.S. This is just my opinion but people who are posting anonymously about the conduct of others doesn’t allow them to be held to the same degree of judgment.
“This person is neither in a position of public trust or pursuing a position of public trust”
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Attorneys are officer of the courts–OUR courts. There held to higher standards of conduct in & out of the courtroom. He practices in public IN OUR COURTROOMS, soliciting clients in PUBLIC.
Secondly, he very PUBLICLY touted his representation of the tribal chief who was removed from office.
Neither he nor you can have it both ways. He cannot merrily and happily tout his skills as an attorney and son of a senator, and then try to wrap himself in transparent cloak of privacy when the warts are exposed.
Pick one.
“P.S. This is just my opinion but people who are posting anonymously about the conduct of others doesn’t allow them to be held to the same degree of judgment.”
You’re right–it is just an opinion.
NO ONE is “judging” him.
Each is us has a DUTY to determine what we should elevate in the public square and what should be condemned. We ALL have a responsibility to debate and argue and find a consensus for what is acceptable, unacceptable, tolerable, a nuisance, criminal, –whether for the purposes of law, civil society, for our church, for our political leaders, or for our coven.
To deny this is to deny the HUMANITY of our brothers & sisters. To allow others to violate acceptable norms of behavior as simply “private matters” is to falsely divide a person into public & private personas; a severance that DESTROYS the vital nexus between what one is and what one does; to destroy what makes a person a human. That’s true whether I say it, the pope says it, Aristotle says it, or Nietzsche.
NO ONE is suggesting that ANYONE’s sin is forever tattooed on one’s soul. As I indicated, if he were to seek repentance, atone, and behave differently, I would reconsider whether he could be described as honorable.
See TJ, these are UNIVERSAL TRUTHS, not dependent on me or you or Anonymous or whomever.
What IS different is that the subject here is a very public person from a very public family in very public profession. Too late to put that genie back in the bottle.
Don’t forget Gluttony TJ!! 😋
is this true?
if so, we are really screwed. Democrats that is.
The SD Democrats don’t have a chance regardless
Guys, lets not get into naming names.
I need a clue on who the weatherman is …. please.
Do a search on twitter. That’s where I saw it.
Per Curiam,
Any inference I excuse sinful behavior is patently false and any assertion what I said is blasphemous is preposterous. I do think sinful behavior by private citizens are private matters.
“and any assertion what I said is blasphemous is preposterous. I do think sinful behavior by private citizens are private matters.”
The two claims are incompatible.
Jesus was quite clear: we are one person, not a public face that is severable from private face.
Sin is sin–there’s no Christian distinction between private & public.
One basic question:
How is accessing a PUBLIC website like Ashley Madison, with the intent of using its well-advertised services that are made available to the general public, NOT a public act?
If this is your standard, then you should not only give your name on this public website but disclose every single thing you have done on the internet.
What I do or what YOU do is NOT the point. He could have just as well picked up a companion (not his wife) at a bar and taken him/her home–that has NOTHING to do with how you or I express our views of what he did by taking a companion home from a bar. Are you suggesting that “anonymous” commenters here should have to disclose the bars they’ve been in lately and if married, whether they have gone home with a companion not a wife? If he had phone calls of a sexual nature with a person not his wife (that were recorded), are you suggesting that “anonymous” commenters here should have to disclose their phone numbers and disclose any recordings of them? How silly. One cannot comment on others’ sins (especially those made in public) without disclosing all their own? How utterly UNchristian! It’s not the MEDIUM of how one sins, it that one sins. Somehow you’ve morphed sin into “situational sin”. There’s no such thing.
Values, character, integrity–they go beyond and through and around and in and out the internet, our homes, our workplaces, the courtroom, church, and on & on.
“Because we all sin”, or “he sinned in private, leave him alone”, is not an excuse to not be held accountable for sinning; nor is it a pike to be used on those of us who sincerely express our objections to such acts.
You claim that you’re not excusing his behavior, but you have yet to write one word in opposition. Out of hundreds, not one of disapproval.
You’re trying to excuse it.
Was his accessing the Ashley Madison website not a public act?
A simple question. Not standard, just a question.
When will you answer it?
That’s a simple one Troy.
Per Crapium won’t divulge, but isn’t it obvious?
Julie Gross (NE) = Andrew Shiers
I have made some mistakes in my life.
Many I am not proud of. I would prefer not to discuss them.
To those that have been harmed I have made amends.
Does that make me a horrible person? I don’t think so. It does mean I have first hand experience with some of these issues and I have learned from my mistakes.
(FYI I have not been unfaithful to my lovely wife) If this bothers you then don’t vote for me. If you want someone who has been down that road, and knows what it is like (not fun) you know where to cast your vote
Why do you have a story on this and not the whole Platte/Mid-Central fiasco? Millions in government grants that were intended for American Indian children were abused. Now an entire family is dead and records are quickly revealing serious allegations about many different officials. I think that’s more important than some adult website.
If you scroll back a few days you’ll see the AG’s statement on the investigation; you can comment there if you please.
In the scheme of things though, you’re right about the relative importance.
Per Curiam,
If you think every transaction on the internet is public, disclose your name and allow Pat and/or Cory (you can pick) to go through your internet history. Otherwise you are a phony.
I think every American deserves a level of privacy when privacy is assumed and for private citizens the level is greater. We know this information because it was STOLEN.
No, I don’t think every transaction on the internet is public. Never said it was.
Call me all the names you wish. Somehow, you’ve turned this from a thread on a public figure accessing a website into a odd obsession with me and my life. Why all the anger? Do you know the family?
Trust me, an investigation into my life would end in 5 minutes out of sheer boredom. Yes, I’m a phony–a very BORING phony. Come visit my van down by the river and we can spend an hour or two discussing my collection of 1000s of vinyl albums.
A marital commitment is not and should not be phony. That’s not a private matter.
Human trafficking is not and should not be phony. That’s not a private matter.
Consider this (a few steps beyond the present situation): if he were not married, yet accessed a website known to be for “paid escorts” on a private computer and met them at his private home, it would STILL be a public story based on his previous [public] positions on human trafficking, right?
Wanna hear my copy of Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon on my turntable, in QUADRAPHONIC sound!
Well now you’ve brought up a good point–what should be done with stolen information, if anything?
While AM gave assurances of privacy, I just don’t think it was reasonable to rely on that assurance when accessing a website whose sole purpose is to undermine the privacy of a marriage. In other words, there is little honor among thieves. When fooling around, expect to be fooled with.
The consequence for the breach of promised privacy like this is a civil suit (and I understand there are many). You can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
At this point, all I really know is that some people allege that someone accessed a “dubious” website based on information that may, or may not, be reliable.
IF the allegations are proven true, I’m sure it will affect that that individual’s reputation and future political fortunes.
I can’t honestly say that anything’s been PROVEN, yet.
I have no personal relationship with him, so other than hoping that it’s either untrue, or that he learns from his mistake, I really don’t think it’s any of my business unless he run for office in the future.
The downside of celebrity is, there is no “personal privacy” when you’re a public figure. Whether this allegation is true, or not, he’s already suffering the consequences.
I attended an event (fundraiser) in Sioux Falls where he logged into an Ashley Madison account in front of all of us, and then he logged into a backpage account and then Craigslist (I think maybe not but one or two others). He showed us his account on all the sites and then showed the advertisements for sugar daddies and other prostitution ads on all the sites. It was amazing to see this stuff on the different sites and I remember AM was one of the sites because he made a bunch of jokes about having to register for that one. I’m sure he did this with other groups, it was very surprising!